laj@wnuxb.UUCP (JOHNSON) (02/13/85)
I know of two phonetic alphabets. One begins ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE ... The second is of military origin and begins ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA Can someone complete the alphabets ? Are there other similar alphabets in common use ? Larry Johnson ihnp4!wnuxb!laj
ron@leopard.UUCP (Ron Bach) (02/14/85)
> I know of two phonetic alphabets. One begins ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE ... > The second is of military origin and begins ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA > > Can someone complete the alphabets ? Are there other similar alphabets > in common use ? > Larry Johnson > ihnp4!wnuxb!laj Both I believe are Military alphabets, the first is the older version used until sometime into the 50's or 60's. When I was in the AF the second went Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Gulf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Poppa, Quebec, Romeo, Serra, Tango Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu. Quebec is pronounced like kay-bek. Zulu replaced Zebra, (remember the movie Ice station ZEBRA) and I believe India and Oscar replaced Ocean and Ida. -- ...{allegra|belcore|ihnp4|vax135}!leopard!ron Ron Bach Rumors Mongered here. Bell Communications Research These are my opinions not the management's. 331 Newman Springs Road They have to get their own. Red Bank, NJ 07701
jrrt@hogpd.UUCP (R.MITCHELL) (02/14/85)
he ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE alphabet dates from pre-World War II days.
By the late 60's, the U.S. military had converted to the alphabet below,
allegedly for greater clarity.
ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA, ECHO, FOXTROT, GOLF, HOTEL, INDIA, JULIET,
KILO, LIMA, MIKE, NOVEMBER, OSCAR, PAPA, QUEBEC (pronounced KAY-BECK),
ROMEO, SIERRA, TANGO, UNIFORM, VICTOR, WHISKEY, XRAY, YANKEE, ZULU.
Rob Mitchell {allegra,ihnp4}!hogpd!jrrt
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
- Sir Winston Churchillblack@unc.UUCP (Samuel Black) (02/14/85)
In article <wnuxb.365> laj@wnuxb.UUCP (JOHNSON) writes: >I know of two phonetic alphabets. One begins ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE ... >The second is of military origin and begins ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA > >Can someone complete the alphabets ? Are there other similar alphabets >in common use ? > > Larry Johnson > ihnp4!wnuxb!laj The one most commonly used by pilots is: Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu.
gwb@umd5.UUCP (02/18/85)
In article <365@wnuxb.UUCP> laj@wnuxb.UUCP (JOHNSON) writes: >I know of two phonetic alphabets. One begins ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE ... >The second is of military origin and begins ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA > >Can someone complete the alphabets ? Are there other similar alphabets >in common use ? > > Larry Johnson > ihnp4!wnuxb!laj Both (I believe) are of military origin. The second looks like the one used by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), which is also used by many civil radio services(including amateur radio). ALFA BRAVO CHARLIE DELTA ECHO FOXTROT GOLF HOTEL INDIA JULIETT KILO LIMA MIKE NOVEMBER OSCAR PAPA QUEBEC ROMEO SIERRA TANGO UNIFORM VICTOR WHISKEY XRAY YANKEE ZULU These words were selected for their complete sounds, not just first letters. It's much easier to get perfect message transmission under adverse conditions, as a large percentage of the syllables are unique within the phonetics. -- - George Baltz N3GB USENET: seismo!rlgvax!cvl!umd5!gwb Internet: gwb@umd5 BITNET: gwb@UMD2
doug@terak.UUCP (Doug Pardee) (02/19/85)
> I know of two phonetic alphabets. One begins ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE ... > The second is of military origin and begins ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA Since there have been a number of responses about the ICAO alphabet (some even were correct :-) I'll not repeat that. The other alphabet is the JAN (Joint Army-Navy) alphabet, which became well known because of World War II. Here's what I remember of the JAN sequence: Able G???? Mike Sugar Young Baker Howe Nan Tare Zebra Charlie Item Oboe Unit Dog Jig P??? Victor Ernest King Q??? W??? Fox Love R??? Xray Anyone fill in the blanks? Regarding the change to ICAO -- the story that I heard claimed that the major improvement is that the ICAO words were chosen to be pronouncable regardless of the nationality of the speaker. (ICAO = International Civil Aviation Organization). -- Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{hao,ihnp4,decvax}!noao!terak!doug
wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (02/21/85)
> I know of two phonetic alphabets. One begins ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE ... > The second is of military origin and begins ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA > > Can someone complete the alphabets ? Are there other similar alphabets > in common use ? > > Larry Johnson > ihnp4!wnuxb!laj The first phonetic alphabet referred to is the old one, used from I-don't-know-when up until the sixties (or late 50's). The second is the NATO phonetic alphabet: Alfa Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima (pronounced lee-ma) Mike November Oscar Papa Quebec (pronounced kay-bec) Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X-ray Yankee Zulu I might be able to find the old one listed somewhere, but don't expect it soon. I taught myself the new one, so overlaid any pre-existing knowledge of the former. There are an infinity of "unofficial" phonetic alphabets; probably each police department uses a local variant, the same way as they use local formats of radio codes. Every ham operator picks his own phonetic interpretation of his callsign, so you might hear W1FMS identify as "Wants One For My Shack" or W7LLW use "Wilbur-Seven Likes Lotta Women" or anything at all. (I made up those callsigns off the top of my head -- are you out there by chance?) I strongly recommend that everyone learn and use the NATO standard, but then I champion a lot of lost causes... It's interesting how confused your average telephone operator gets when you start phoneticizing a name at him/her. They can get "B as in Boy", but running "Whisky India Lima Lima India Alfa Mike" at them scares them... Regards, Will Martin USENET: seismo!brl-bmd!wmartin or ARPA/MILNET: wmartin@almsa-1.ARPA
ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (02/22/85)
> I know of two phonetic alphabets. One begins ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE ... > The second is of military origin and begins ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA > > Can someone complete the alphabets ? Are there other similar alphabets > in common use ? > > Larry Johnson > ihnp4!wnuxb!laj Other way around. ABLE BAKER is the US military version and the only people who seem to still use it are certain Police departements (at least in California as seen on TV :-) ). ALPHA BRAVO is the international phonetic alphabet and is used currently by all serious radio communicators. Our local police department seems to have invented there own, they always use the same words, but they don't match either of those schemes.
wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (02/25/85)
The old phonetic alphabet (found in a 1945 edition of the Radio Amateurs' Handbook): Able (Affirm*) Baker Charlie Dog Easy Fox George How Item (Interrogatory*) Jig King Love Mike Nan (Negat*) Oboe (Option*) Peter (Prep*) Queen Roger Sugar Tare Uncle Victor William X-ray Yoke Zebra (* = US Navy General Signal Book variants) There! Now you can communicate across time warps with military or hams from WW II and before... Regards, Will
don@ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (02/25/85)
Reference: (384@terak.UUCP) (Doug Pardee):
Sorry, Doug, but I'm afraid you got some of them wrong. The correct,
official Signal Corps phonetic alphabet follows:
Able George Mike Sugar Yoke
Baker Howe Nan Tare Zebra
Charlie Item Oboe Uncle
Dog Jig Peter Victor
Easy King Queen William
Fox Love Roger Xray
"Dh' aindeoin co theireadh e!"
Don Curry
Computer Facilities & Operations
University of California
Berkeley CA 94720 (415) 642-3043
...ucbvax!ucbtopaz!dondickmc@brl-tgr.ARPA (Dick McGee ) (02/25/85)
In article <384@terak.UUCP> doug@terak.UUCP (Doug Pardee) writes: >> I know of two phonetic alphabets. One begins ABLE, BAKER, CHARLIE ... >> The second is of military origin and begins ALPHA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA > >Since there have been a number of responses about the ICAO alphabet >(some even were correct :-) I'll not repeat that. The other alphabet >is the JAN (Joint Army-Navy) alphabet, which became well known because >of World War II. Here's what I remember of the JAN sequence: > >Able G???? Mike Sugar Young >Baker Howe Nan Tare Zebra >Charlie Item Oboe Unit >Dog Jig P??? Victor >Ernest King Q??? W??? >Fox Love R??? Xray Anyone fill in the blanks? > >Regarding the change to ICAO -- the story that I heard claimed that the >major improvement is that the ICAO words were chosen to be pronouncable >regardless of the nationality of the speaker. (ICAO = International >Civil Aviation Organization). >-- >Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{hao,ihnp4,decvax}!noao!terak!doug ABLE HOW OBOE VICTOR BAKER ITEM PETER WILLIAM CHARLIE JIG QUEEN XRAY DOG KING ROGER YOKE EASY LOVE SUGAR ZEBRA FOX MIKE TARE GEORGE NAN UNCLE