simulation@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu (Moderator: Paul Fishwick) (10/10/90)
Volume: 18, Issue: 4, Wed Oct 10 08:38:55 EDT 1990
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| TODAY'S TOPICS |
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(1) Simscript vs. Modscript
(2) CALL: AI and Simulation Conference
(3) WANTED: Financial Modelling Info.
(4) RE: Simulation Support Tools
(5) RE: Simulation Tools for Workstations
* Moderator: Paul Fishwick, Univ. of Florida
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 11:04:22 -0400
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From: rpw@surya.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ray Wagner)
Subject: SIMSCRIPT/MODSCRIPT
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Reply-To: rpw@surya.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ray Wagner)
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 15:04:14 GMT
Hi there,
I've got a couple of rather low-level questions to ask about
simulation packages. Please drop me e-mail if you have any thoughts,
but I'll continue reading this group if you absolutely must followup.
What I'm doing is deciding what kind of simulation package to bring up
on our SUN network (and maybe an RS6000) here at UVA.
Basically, we've narrowed our choices down to SIMSCRIPT and MODSCRIPT,
although we will listen to other suggestions. MODSCRIPT has the
advantage of being the 'newer, better' product, although it hasn't
been brought up on the RS6000 just yet. SIMSCRIPT is the popular
package that everyone seems to be using. Our questions:
1. Is MODSCRIPT really alot better than SIMSCRIPT? Would it be worth
going directly to this package and sidestepping SIMSCRIPT?
2. Is there alot of expertise and code easily available out there
for SIMSCRIPT? More specifically, should we stick with SIMSCRIPT
like people stick with FORTRAN, because they can import code
easily from someone who's already done it, rather than doing it
themselves?
3. Is there something or some package that we're overlooking?
Thanks in advance for your help. If anyone wants a summary of replies,
let me know by email and I'll send you one.
--ray
Ray Wagner
Computer Science Department
rpw@cs.virginia.edu University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22903
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 23:04:43 GMT
From: mcleod@Sds.Sdsc.Edu
Subject: Bulletin Board fodder
To: fishwick@bikini.cis.ufl.edu
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ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND SIMULATION CONFERENCE
April 1-5, 1991 New Orleans, Louisiana
******CALL FOR PAPERS******
The combination of Artificial Intelligence (AI) and Simulation
Technologies continues to provide opportunities for advanced
developments in both fields. As a result there is significant
demand for information exchange by participants in both fields.
This conference offers a forum for discussing theoretical and
applied results with individuals from either and/or both
disciplines. Abstracts are invited in the following areas,
Theory: Methodology; AI and Modeling Process; Qualitative
Simulation; Cognitive Modeling; Neural Networks; Intelligent
Simulation Environments; Interfaces
Applications: Aerospace; Telecommunications; Agriculture;
Manufacturing; Government; Medicaid; Process Control.
Refereed and unrefereed papers will be presented. Abstracts and
proposals for sessions, tutorials and workshops should be submitted
by October 29, 1990 to: Dr. Ranjeet Uttamsingh, Chair, c/o The
Society for Computer Simulation, PO Box 17900, San Diego, CA 92117.
Notification of acceptance will be sent out by November 15, 1990.
Authors will be expected to register early and attend at their own
expense. Papers will not be published if they cannot be presented
at the conference. Camera ready papers must be sent to The Society
for Computer Simulation by December 16, 1990. For further
information, contact: Ranjeet Uttamsingh (313) 737-5505; Fax:
(313) 737-5508; or the Society for Computer Simulation (619) 277-
3888; Fax: (619) 277-3930; E-Mail MCLEOD@SDSC.BITNET
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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 07:43 EDT
From: Stephen Downes-Martin <SDMARTIN@rcca.bbn.com>
Subject: Financial modeling info sought
To: simulation@bikini.cis.ufl.edu
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Any information on the use of simulation in financial domains gratefully
received (books, people, journals, societies, people, etc).
Many thanks.
Stephen Downes-Martin
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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 12:00:55 EST
From: Richard E. Nance - SRC <srcnance@popeye.cs.vt.edu>
To: acuenca@gmv.es
Subject: Request for Simulation Support Tools
Cc: balci@mdesun.cs.vt.edu, simulation@bikini.cis.ufl.edu
The Model Development Environment research at Virginia Tech has
produced a prototype enviroment that is intended for research
only (not production work). Are you acquainted with our work?
Would you like reprints? (Note: Suggest that you check the
papers by Overstreet and Nance, CACM, Feb 1985 and Trans. SCS,
Jan 1987 and by Balci, Comps & Ops Res, v13, no 1, 1986 and
Balci & Nance, J. Oper Res Soc, Aug 1987. These might give
you a better indication of the relevancy to your needs.)
Dick Nance
nance@vtopus.cs.vt.edu
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Posted-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 1990 08:27:18 EST
From: samuels@mitre.org (Michael Samuels)
To: simulation@bikini.cis.ufl.edu
Cc: samuels@mitre.org
Subject: Re: Simulation tools for Workstations
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 1990 08:27:18 EST
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
I am interested in using simulation as a system-level modeling
tool - I want a COTS product that will provide features for input data
analysis, model creation, debugging, runtime monitor and control, output
data analysis, and graphics. SIMAN/CINEMA, SLAM/TESS, and GPSS with its
graphical interface always seemed to me to be moving in the direction of a
"simulation workbench", while SIMSCRIPT (and its newer cousin, MODSIM)
strike me as programming languages with simulation capabilities added in.
SIMSCRIPT (and MODSIM) are great for very detailed models to be linked
with prototypes and testbeds; the latter are much easier to use for
system-level modeling.
In volume 17, issue 10, a number of brief remarks were made
concerning SIMSCRIPT vs. SES/Workbench. The latter was given higher marks
by most readers because of its graphical interface and faster runtime
capabilities. However, at least one comment noted that SES/Workbench had
fewer capabilities than SIMSCRIPT in terms of modeling structures. Has
anyone ever compared SES/Workbench to SLAM/TESS, SIMAN/CINEMA, or GPSS
with its graphical toolbox? Sure, SLAM, SIMAN, and GPSS are "old"
languages without the object orientation that is now in vogue. However,
my needs are for modeling, not software development. If a FORTRAN-based
simulation package offers me three times as many features as one based on
C++, I'd rather have the older package (besides, SIMAN and SLAM let users
link C code to their models). Have users of SES/Workbench compared this
product to anything other than SIMSCRIPT? I will summarize whatever
responses I get to the Digest.
Michael Samuels
Mailstop Z676
The MITRE Corporation
7525 Colshire Drive
McLean, Virginia 22102
(703) 883-7828
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