gvr@brunix (George V. Reilly) (11/25/89)
Some clones of Helvetica and Times call themselves "Swiss" and "Dutch", respectively. Now, I can understand the reasoning behind calling Helvetica "Swiss", as Helvetica is Latin for Switzerland and Helvetica was designed by a Swiss, but I cannot see why Times is called "Dutch" as Times was designed for the London _Times_ by an Englishman, Stanley Morison, around 1932. Can anyone enlighten me? ------ George Reilly gvr@cs.brown.edu uunet!brunix!gvr gvr@browncs.bitnet Box 1910, Brown U, Prov, RI 02912
mouser@portia.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wang) (11/26/89)
The Bitstream version of Times New Roman is called Dutch because that is the typeface classification Times New Roman is commonly placed into. Other typefaces that may be classified as Dutch include Janson and Caslon. -Michael Wang +--------------+------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Wang | 325 Melville Avenue, Palo Alto, CA 94301 | |--------------+------------------------------------------------------------| | ARPAnet, CSNET, BITNET, Internet: mouser@portia.stanford.edu | | UUCP: ...decwrl!portia.stanford.edu!mouser | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
wsinkees@lso.win.tue.nl (Kees Huizing) (11/28/89)
gvr@brunix (George V. Reilly) writes: >Some clones of Helvetica and Times call themselves "Swiss" and >"Dutch", respectively. Now, I can understand the reasoning >behind calling Helvetica "Swiss", as Helvetica is Latin for >Switzerland and Helvetica was designed by a Swiss, but I cannot >see why Times is called "Dutch" as Times was designed for the London >_Times_ by an Englishman, Stanley Morison, around 1932. >Can anyone enlighten me? Of course. In current English the adjective DUTCH stands for stingy (cf. Dutch party, Dutch treat, etc.). Times is a font that is very narrow to fit in newspaper columns, so its space-efficient, or stingy if you want. :-) -- Kees Huizing - Eindhoven Univ of Techn - Dept Math & Comp Sc - The Netherlands DOMAIN: wsinkees@win.tue.nl BITNET: wsdckeesh@heitue5 FAX: +31-40-436685
briand@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM (Brian Diehm) (11/29/89)
>Of course. In current English the adjective DUTCH stands for stingy (cf. >Dutch party, Dutch treat, etc.). Times is a font that is very narrow to fit >in newspaper columns, so its space-efficient, or stingy if you want. In my dealings with Nederlanders, I've found that they are much more aware of this connotation of "Dutch" than are most North Americans, at least. I can't speak for Englishmen; I don't speak their language. Anyway, to give an example, I've never heard of the term "Dutch party." Lighten up you guys, nobody REALLY believes you're stingy! Except maybe yourselves? As for the term Dutch in typography, wasn't the Netherlands (and Benelux region) responsible for many typographers doing serif type styles? Nicholas Janson, and others? Isn't this style as opposed to the German styles (black- letter) and Italian styles (suitably named italics) and the Swiss styles (the sans serifs)? Aren't these regional connotations? OK, I suppose you have to expand the Dutch region to cover some of France and a little of England. But the regional nature of the general type styles is unmistakable. -- -Brian Diehm Tektronix, Inc. (503) 627-3437 briand@tekig5.PEN.TEK.COM P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-383 Beaverton, OR 97077 (SDA - Standard Disclaimers Apply)