mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) (03/19/91)
We are looking for a Postscript font that can be used on a Mac so we can generate math symbols and certain math letters. The "symbol" font is not enough. We would really like something that has all the symbols that the TeX fonts do. But the symbols we really need are h-bar (Planck's constat divided by 2 pi) and a script lower case letter l (\ell in TeX). Next most important are script upper case J, K, and L. HELP!!!! We are having to write these in with a pen!!!! (except for TeX users, who don't use Macs). Doug MCDonald
ar12@prism.gatech.EDU (REGISTER,ANDREW H) (03/19/91)
In article <1991Mar19.013622.6266@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes: > > > We are looking for a Postscript font that can be used on a Mac so we > can generate math symbols and certain math letters. The "symbol" > font is not enough. We would really like something that has all the symbols > that the TeX fonts do. > > There are a few obvious symbols that have not yet been mentioned. Maybe they are easy and I am just a mental midget and cannot figure them out. x dot and x double dot. This can easily be done using overstrike *if* I had a raised dot (centered horiz.) and a raised double dot. A small raised tilde and hat would also be useful although the standard ones can be manipulated. If someone builds one for the Mac, It sure would be nice if someone would run it through the process for creating the pc windows ATM version. If there is a font available (commercial) already I would appreciate it if someone would tell me the name so I can buy it! Toodles, Andy -- Andy Register Internet: ar12@prism.gatech.edu Bitnet: aregiste@gtri01.bitnet -- Sometimes the Bears Win, Sometimes the Bulls Win -- -------- But the Pigs *Always* Lose -------- (author unknown)
spqr@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) (03/22/91)
In article <1991Mar19.013622.6266@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes:
We are looking for a Postscript font that can be used on a Mac so we
can generate math symbols and certain math letters. The "symbol"
font is not enough. We would really like something that has all the symbols
that the TeX fonts do.
since TeX has what you want, bite the bullet and use Computer Modern
Roman maths fonts. Blue Sky Research will sell you the fonts in Adobe
Type 1 format (or maybe its still Type 3) which you will presumably be
able to use with your Mac applications OK.
Have you looked at the Lucida Maths fonts? They consciously set out to
cover the same field as TeX's maths fonts
Sebastian
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Southampton S09 5NH, UK S.Rahtz@sot-ecs.uucp (uucp)barry@reed.UUCP (Barry Smith) (03/24/91)
In article <1991Mar19.013622.6266@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes: >We are looking for a Postscript font that can be used on a Mac so we >can generate math symbols and certain math letters. The "symbol" >font is not enough. We would really like something that has all the symbols >that the TeX fonts do. A commercial PostScript Type 1 implementation of Computer Modern is available for the Macintosh and for the PC (Adobe Type Manager compatible) from Blue Sky Research, Portland, Oregon. The current set (version 0.9) includes 40 faces, including all the symbol faces; the version 1.0 set will include all 75 Computer Modern faces. For further information: Blue Sky Research 534 SW Third Avenue Portland, Oregon 97204 USA 800/622-8398, 503/222-9571
dhosek@euler.claremont.edu (Don Hosek) (03/25/91)
In article <SPQR.91Mar21192941@manutius.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, spqr@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) writes: > In article <1991Mar19.013622.6266@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes: > We are looking for a Postscript font that can be used on a Mac so we > can generate math symbols and certain math letters. The "symbol" > font is not enough. We would really like something that has all the symbols > that the TeX fonts do. > since TeX has what you want, bite the bullet and use Computer Modern > Roman maths fonts. Blue Sky Research will sell you the fonts in Adobe > Type 1 format (or maybe its still Type 3) which you will presumably be > able to use with your Mac applications OK. Blue Sky is selling Type 1 fonts (I READ all the ads in TUGboat ;-). However, using CM Math means using CM text which may not be what they desire. I don't know about the PS versions but the bitmap versions follow the coding of standard CM which puts characters at x'20 and x'0d. This causes a visible character to be printed at every space and end-of-paragraph with the Mac apps I tried. Generally not a desirable result. Besides, they might *want* to use Times as their body font. > Have you looked at the Lucida Maths fonts? They consciously set out to > cover the same field as TeX's maths fonts This might be a bit more workable, but again, they'll need to buy both the math and text fonts to get decent results. And since Lucida math is not widely used, they'll probably have to buy from Adobe and pay full price. Urp. Other options for PS math include MoreMath which was presented at TeX89 at Karlsruhe. The author of that font is Paul D. Bacsich who (at the time at least) is at the Open University in the UK. This is a times-compatible symbol font supporting the TeX character set plus the VDM chars. Bitstream created a similar extension for DEC. I'm not sure whether they or DEC will sell it individually or what DEC package it's part of. -dh -- Don Hosek | To retrieve files from ymir via the mailserver, dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu | send a message to mailserv@ymir.claremont.edu Quixote Digital Typography | with a line saying send [DIRECTORY]FILENAME 714-625-0147 | where DIRECTORY is the FTP directory (sans ---------------------------+ "anonymous") and FILENAME is the filename, e.g. "send [tex]00readme.txt". There is a list of files in each directory under the name 00files.txt. Binary files are not available by this technique.
keie@cs.vu.nl (Keizer E G) (03/25/91)
mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes: >We are looking for a Postscript font that can be used on a Mac so we >can generate math symbols and certain math letters. The "symbol" >font is not enough. We would really like something that has all the symbols >that the TeX fonts do. >But the symbols we really need are h-bar (Planck's constat divided by 2 pi) >and a script lower case letter l (\ell in TeX). Next most important are >script upper case J, K, and L. Last Friday Adobe's Mathematical Pi font landed on my desk. It is font package number 158. I did not test it on MacIntoshes, I use the fonts on a PostScript printer attached to UNIX boxes, but saw both the outline fonts and the bitmap fonts on the MacIntosh disk carrying the fonts. The package contains 6 fonts: MathematicalPi-One through Six. They contain: One Greek font (not italic) comparison symbols (less-equal ...) h-slash, lambda-slash, infin., prop. to ,... Two A complete Schwabinger or Fraktur font ( I am not sure which I'd have to look that up at home), An Upper Case Script Font and a few lower case script letters (g,h,l,z) in two weigths. Three Lots of brackets, parenthesis and integration symbols in two weights and a few variations of the equal and identical signs. Four A Bold Greek font (not italic) and lots of symbols used with sets. Five Lots of symbols used in logic and the compare entities of which I do not know into which catecory they fit. Six An capitals-only `open' font, which I am not to safisfied with, that can be used to indicate the sets of integers, positive integers, real numbers etc. Squares, triangles and circles, not, while or partially filled. And lots of mathematical symbols with dots in them. This is not a superset of the AMS fonts used with TeX. Neither is it a subset. But it is very usefull to have around in a mathematical environment and costs (single printer license) around Dfl 900 (~$500). Ed Keizer Department of Mathematics and Computer Science Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam The Netherlands Disclaimers. - This message contains my opinion and not that of my employer. - I did my best to represent the content of these fonts as good as I could without spending too much time on it, but it is very well possible that I have made mistakes.
graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) (03/26/91)
In article <SPQR.91Mar21192941@manutius.ecs.soton.ac.uk> spqr@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) writes: >In article <1991Mar19.013622.6266@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes: > > We are looking for a Postscript font that can be used on a Mac so we > can generate math symbols and certain math letters. The "symbol" > font is not enough. We would really like something that has all the symbols > that the TeX fonts do. > >since TeX has what you want, bite the bullet and use Computer Modern >Roman maths fonts. Blue Sky Research will sell you the fonts in Adobe >Type 1 format (or maybe its still Type 3) which you will presumably be >able to use with your Mac applications OK. Of course, you're also stuck using Computer Modern text fonts if you want typographic consistency. And I, for one, can't stand them. (Modern serif faces annoy me, to begin with.) >Have you looked at the Lucida Maths fonts? They consciously set out to >cover the same field as TeX's maths fonts You might also like to look at Adobe's Mathematical Pi font. It actually has more symbols than TeX. Lucida Math has all the base characters, but does not include pre-built negation binary operators. Nor does it have h-bar or black-letter capitals. It might be missing a few other things as well, most of which could be patched in from other fonts, or built. The one draw-back to Mathematical Pi is that it has six component fonts, which would make it hard to memorize and down-load. Incidentally, Adobe has a new service to provide you with various documents, including typeface sample pages, via fax. It's 1-800-235-0078. Not bad. -- Steve Graham graham@isis.ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8115
mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) (03/26/91)
In article <15558@june.cs.washington.edu> graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: >In article <SPQR.91Mar21192941@manutius.ecs.soton.ac.uk> spqr@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Sebastian Rahtz) writes: >>In article <1991Mar19.013622.6266@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes: >> >> We are looking for a Postscript font that can be used on a Mac so we >> can generate math symbols and certain math letters. The "symbol" >> font is not enough. We would really like something that has all the symbols >> that the TeX fonts do. >> > >You might also like to look at Adobe's Mathematical Pi font. It actually >has more symbols than TeX. We tried the FAX line. Yep, Mathematical Pi indeed has all the characters we need. Every last one including h-bar. Now we just need somebody to sell it to us at less than the list price!!!!! Doug McDonald
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) (03/26/91)
graham@june.cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) writes: >Incidentally, Adobe has a new service to provide you with various documents, >including typeface sample pages, via fax. It's 1-800-235-0078. Not bad. It seems that trying to determine much about a typeface at fax resolution would be difficult, if not impossible, no? -- Geoff Allen \ It's so fast, it can do an infinite loop uunet!pmafire!geoff \ in 30 seconds. geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \ --Brian Bechtel on the Mac IIfx
graham@cs.washington.edu (Stephen Graham) (03/27/91)
In article <1991Mar26.155134.24388@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes: > >It seems that trying to determine much about a typeface at fax >resolution would be difficult, if not impossible, no? > The sample sheets appear to have been done at 18 pt, large enough that most details make it through the fax process. However, I think the sheets are better used as an indication of the available character set. I wouldn't base my final buying decision for a text typeface on the fax sheets alone, but it's a help, especially with the pi fonts. -- Steve Graham graham@isis.ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8115
guelzow@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Andreas J. Guelzow) (03/30/91)
In article <1991Mar25.195650.15921@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Doug McDonald) writes: > >We tried the FAX line. Yep, Mathematical Pi indeed has all the characters >we need. Every last one including h-bar. Now we just need somebody to sell it >to us at less than the list price!!!!! > I purchased my copy of Mathematical Pi for much less than list and you could follow it too if you find somebody who hasn't upgraded to ATM v. 2 yet. With the upgrade you can buy one of Adobe's families for about $49. (This is all subject to the restrictions of my memory, I may have forgotten some time limitations...) Andreas Guelzow <guelzow@ccu.umanitoba.ca>