[comp.fonts] Font Royalties

odonnell@adobe.COM (Terry O'Donnell) (04/13/91)

Quang Le asked:

>  I want to modify some common fonts (Times, Courier,...) by 
>  adding some special characters which are only used in Vietnamese 
>  writing. If I distribute these fonts to other people (with or 
>  without fee), do I have to pay royalties to Adobe? Assume that my 
>  customers are already licensed to use those fonts (English character 
>  set) in their computers.

Although it is understandable that it may be necessary to alter
a font for one's own use, the distribution of the resulting
font is not allowed (except conceivably by a special licensing
agreement). In many cases, Adobe is bound by agreements with
the companies who license their fonts to us. Our official
position (offered here for informational purposes rather than 
as a warning!) is as follows:

Adobe has stated publicly that, although it has a legal right
to do so, it will not pursue end users who modify or adapt
Adobe font programs for their own personal or business use. But
Adobe reserves the right to pursue those who redistribute or resell
the modified Adobe fonts.

Terry O'Donnell
Adobe Systems

dhosek@euler.claremont.edu (Don Hosek) (04/15/91)

In article <14014@adobe.UUCP>, odonnell@adobe.COM (Terry O'Donnell) writes:
> Quang Le asked:
 
>>  I want to modify some common fonts (Times, Courier,...) by 
>>  adding some special characters which are only used in Vietnamese 
>>  writing. If I distribute these fonts to other people (with or 
>>  without fee), do I have to pay royalties to Adobe? Assume that my 
>>  customers are already licensed to use those fonts (English character 
>>  set) in their computers.
 
> Although it is understandable that it may be necessary to alter
> a font for one's own use, the distribution of the resulting
> font is not allowed (except conceivably by a special licensing
> agreement). 

True, but in this case, the distributed code could work on the
assumption that the printer already knows about Times, etc. and
only contain the newly created characters which probably would
just be code for accented characters. If memory serves, it should
be possible to create a character set for Vietnamese without even
creating any new glyphs or needing to copy any of the existing
character definitions. This certainly wouldn't call for any
special licensing agreement since the use of existing fonts would
be no more sophisticated than what appears in a typical document.

-dh

Don Hosek                  
dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu  
Quixote Digital Typography 
714-625-0147               

FLEGLEI@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (04/20/91)

Sorry, I can't quote previous dox using my editor, but the posting
consisted of one person asking, can I modify Times to add Vietnamese
diacriticals & other characters & distribute it. Another folk said,
no, you can't. A third said you could distribute the new characters.
 
And my posting: using, on the Mac at least, Altsys' Fontographer 3.2 program
(and earlier versions) one can use the "composite" function to create
placeholders for all of the characters in a given font; say, Times Roman
from Adobe. One can then use Fontographer to create new characters. Note
that these characters must be *entirely* *new*. It is copyright violation
to use portions of existing characters. The font thus created after
generation requires the presence of the original copyrighted font but
contains none of its code & is therefore legal to sell or give away.
 
Please NOTE: this is not the same as using Fontographer to OPEN an
existing typeface & modify & save it. The composite function uses rough
placeholders that do not reproduce codes. These placeholders may be moved
up or down or have details added on top of them (such as diacritics).
 
Do the Adobe folks agree with this? I have purchased fonts created in
this manner sold by people who also sell Adobe fonts legally.
 
Glenn Fleishman, Yale University Printing Service
glenn_fleishman@yccatsmtp.ycc.yale.edu