[comp.fonts] Regional vowel counts in American English

xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Kent Paul Dolan) (05/26/91)

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 holley@sono.uucp (Greg Holley) writes:
> btiffany@pbs.org (Bruce) writes:

>> OK, five vowels and 14 vowel sounds.

>> But if you're talking about the sounds vowels
>> make, rather than the vowels themselves, I can't
>> believe there are only 14. There must be many,
>> many more. Maybe Peter Jennings uses only 14, but
>> if you go to Maine, and then to the Appalachians
>> of southwestern Virginia and eastern Kentucky,
>> and then to Upstate New York (where they have a
>> pretty unique way of pronouncing the sound made
>> in words like "about" and "boat"), and then to
>> Georgia and Alabama, you'll compile a lot more
>> than 14 sounds! Our five vowels truly have many
>> talents!

>> But there are 5 vowels. :-)

> I'd also guess that regional accents tend to
> replace one vowel with another, rather than adding
> a vowel, so that while English as it is spoken
> around the world may include more than 14 vowels,
> any native speaker would use 14 or fewer vowels.

Wish I could give a reference, but no go. I remember
reading, however, that in the Georgia/Alabama area,
linguists/phoneticists can reliably distinguish 22
vowel sounds in use by the same speakers. It is only
the clipped-speech New Englander that must live with an
impoverished 14; I think your hypothesis fails. ;-)

Kent, the man from xanth.
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tony@mwuk.UUCP (Tony Mountifield) (05/28/91)

In article <1991May27.050459.24464@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James 'Kibo' Parry) writes:
| My latest linguistics class's textbook specifies twelve basic vowels for
| English (plus three diphthongs and no less than thirty consonants, many
| of which are featured versions of basic IPA ones and not phonemes)
| 
| English vowels: (sorry, I can't type the IPA on this keyboard. :-))
| bEEt
| bAIt
This sounds like a diphthong to me (A-EE).
| bOOt 
| bOAt
And so does this. (unstressed A-OO).
| bAt
| bUt
| sofA   (the schwa -- it's different from "bUt" in that it's unstressed)
| bIt
| bEt
| fOOt
| bOUGHt
| pOt
| 
| as well as diphthongs, the number of which will vary depending on your
| reference.  My two most recent linguistics/phonetics textbooks have
| specified five and three.  (bIte, bOY, and bOUt are in the one I have
| handy.)

Perhaps the two I highlighted make up the five?

Admittedly I am thinking of English English, not American English.

Tony.
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