ken@gatech.edu (Ken Seefried iii) (07/30/88)
When will there be an AUX release based on System V release 3 (or 4)? Are there plans to produce an AUX like SunOS 4 (no flames), meaning a System V/BSD merge? thanks... ken seefried iii ...!{akgua, allegra, amd, harpo, hplabs, ken@gatech.edu inhp4, masscomp, rlgvax, sb1, uf-cgrl, ccastks@gitvm1.bitnet unmvax, ut-ngp, ut-sally}!gatech!ken soon to be open: ...!gatech!spooge!ken (finally ;'})
phil@Apple.COM (Phil Ronzone) (08/02/88)
In article <17331@gatech.edu> ken@gatech.edu (Ken Seefried iii) writes: >... >Are there plans to produce an AUX like SunOS 4 (no flames), meaning >a System V/BSD merge? Umm - well, we are never going to produce an "A/UX like SunOs 4". We couldn't stand the loss of functionality! nasty :-) ... but we are a SVR2 with excellent BSD functionality. Something that OS4 is still not near. The politically correct question is when will SunOS 4 be as nice as the "merge" as A/UX 1.0??? ----------------------- Philip K. Ronzone A/UX System Architect Apple Computer MS 27AJ 10500 N. DeAnza Blvd. Cupertino CA 95014 {amdahl,decwrl,sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual,unisoft}!apple!phil "In A/UX Release 4.0, /bin will still be there ...." P. Zigbooli
ken@gatech.edu (Ken Seefried iii) (08/02/88)
In article <15011@apple.Apple.COM> phil@apple.apple.com.UUCP (Phil Ronzone) writes: >In article <17331@gatech.edu> ken@gatech.edu (Ken Seefried iii) writes: >>... >>Are there plans to produce an AUX like SunOS 4 (no flames), meaning >>a System V/BSD merge? > >Umm - well, we are never going to produce an "A/UX like SunOs 4". We >couldn't stand the loss of functionality! nasty :-) ... but we are a >SVR2 with excellent BSD functionality. Something that OS4 is still not >near. The politically correct question is when will SunOS 4 be as nice >as the "merge" as A/UX 1.0??? >----------------------- >Philip K. Ronzone A/UX System Architect >Apple Computer MS 27AJ 10500 N. DeAnza Blvd. Cupertino CA 95014 This is why i asked for no flames... I do not in any way, shape or form consider this an answer to my question. You are correct that SunOS 4 is not "SVR2 with excellent BSD functionality", it is BSD4.3 with most of SV release *3*. Sun has provided an order of magnitude richer programming environment than Apple. The only thing A/UX has is (for now) it is less buggy, though not vastly less. SunOS 4.1 should be very clean. Oh, and it also runs on SPARC and the 80386 in addition to the 68010/68020. I love Apple products. I want to buy Apple products. But i need Unix to do my work. I need to know that Apple has a deep commitment to Unix. I don't seem to be a able to get that. I restate ( in different words ) my original question: When will i see System V release 3 based A/UX? When will i see full Berkeley integration? I won't even ask for things like lightweight processes, which Sun gives me. DISCLAIMER: i have no affiliation with either Sun or Apple. ken seefried iii ...!{akgua, allegra, amd, harpo, hplabs, ken@gatech.edu inhp4, masscomp, rlgvax, sb1, uf-cgrl, ccastks@gitvm1.bitnet unmvax, ut-ngp, ut-sally}!gatech!ken
mls@mhuxu.UUCP (Michael Siemon) (08/02/88)
In article <15011@apple.Apple.COM>, phil@Apple.COM (Phil Ronzone) writes: > Umm - well, we are never going to produce an "A/UX like SunOs 4". We > couldn't stand the loss of functionality! nasty :-) ... but we are a > SVR2 with excellent BSD functionality. Something that OS4 is still not > near. The politically correct question is when will SunOS 4 be as nice > as the "merge" as A/UX 1.0??? This response is not constructive. What needs to be known, quite aside from issues of how much like/unlike SunOS A/UX will be, is whether, for example, streams and other V.3 features will be supported, and whether Apple intends to track (in some way, I'm not prejudging the way) the ongoing efforts to reconverge the various flavors of unices. "Politically correct questions" be damned. -- Michael L. Siemon contracted to AT&T Bell Laboratories ihnp4!mhuxu!mls standard disclaimer
benoni@ssc-vax.UUCP (Charles L Ditzel) (08/03/88)
in article <15011@apple.Apple.COM>, phil@Apple.COM (Phil Ronzone) says: - In article <17331@gatech.edu> ken@gatech.edu (Ken Seefried iii) writes: --Are there plans to produce an AUX like SunOS 4 (no flames), meaning --a System V/BSD merge? - Umm - well, we are never going to produce an "A/UX like SunOs 4". We - couldn't stand the loss of functionality! nasty :-) ... but we are a Hmm...why do i get the feeling that some Apple AUX engineers haven't read the trade rags or seen SunOS 4.0...maybe they might learn something useful? - SVR2 with excellent BSD functionality. Something that OS4 is still not - near. You are right they are not near SVR2 they are now at SVR3. - The politically correct question is when will SunOS 4 be as nice - as the "merge" as A/UX 1.0??? I hope never...I would fear the return of the stone ages... but another politically correct question is when will AUX get a real window system from Apple...like SunView...or NeWS ...or X11 ? -------------- Naturally, my opinions are my own and not my employers.
phil@Apple.COM (Phil Ronzone) (08/04/88)
In article <7903@mhuxu.UUCP> mls@mhuxu.UUCP (Michael Siemon) writes: >This response is not constructive. What needs to be known, quite aside >from issues of how much like/unlike SunOS A/UX will be, is whether, for >example, streams and other V.3 features will be supported, and whether >Apple intends to track (in some way, I'm not prejudging the way) the ongoing >efforts to reconverge the various flavors of unices. "Politically correct >questions" be damned. Actually Michael, you desire to know these things is quite reasonable. This has just been a irritating week for me since I'm debugging some new Toolbox programs under A/UX. I get irritated when debugging :-) My response was moderate sarcastic to the flames from people who OBVIOUSLY have not used/RTFM'd the product at all. For example, I have been "told" that A/UX does not have STREAMS, isn't a "UNIX" somehow (i.e., when we Apple do a "real" (???) UNIX, and been told something that ain't true on UNIX licensing. The best was the stated fact that A/UX has "no Toolbox support whatsoever"!!! This greatly surprised me and caused me to look in wonderment at MacDraw II running on A/UX 1.0. (very sarcastic symbol here) Some of our sensitivity goes back to a "well know UNIX magazine" that blasted us in an editorial about how bad our product was. The editorial admitted that they had NOT seen the product -- in fact, the blast seemed to be that the UNIX press was left out on the Mac II introduction sneaks. Anyway - I'm sure the blasts and flames and non-RTFM boze's we get aren't one whit different than happens to SUN/Apolo/DEC ... Now for the obligatory information ( :-) ) -- We are a real UNIX. If somebody disagrees, give us concrete examples, not just "it ain't real UNIX". We are SVR2.2 based. Our TCP/IP code and NFS is the same you see on VAXen and SUNs. We will remain SVR2+++ based for about a year. We expect & assume (BUT NO PROMISES) to jump to SVR4. In the meantime, you will see X11.2 and POSIX "REAL SOON NOW" -- next 2-3 quarters. Some Universities and other public forums have seen the demos of this. And we plan on ever-expanding the Toolbox support under A/UX. And of course we will track the ongoing releases on NFS and YP and TCP/IP and so on. Suggestions and comments solicited. Those suggestions and comments based on actual use of A/UX will be listened to ... :-) :-) ------------------------------- Philip K. Ronzone A/UX System Architect Apple Computer MS 27AJ 10500 N. DeAnza Blvd. Cupertino CA 95014 {amdahl,decwrl,sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual,unisoft}!apple!phil "In A/UX Release 4.0, /bin will still be there ...." P. Zigbooli