eberard@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Edward Berard) (01/23/89)
Now that the Macintosh SE/30 and A/UX 1.1 have been officially announced, I have two (apparently) unrelated questions: 1. It would seem that a Macintosh SE/30 equipped with an 80 megabyte internal drive could possibly support A/UX.(I will allow that one might be well-advised to augment such an SE with an external hard disk.) Is this an intended possibility? What other considerations, if any are required? 2. For some reason, A/UX 1.0 did not allow complete access to the Macintosh toolbox. Does A/UX version 1.1 now provide complete access to the toolbox? If not, what is still "unaccessible"? What other considerations should one be aware of when attempting to access the toolbox under A/UX 1.1? Thanks for any information you can provide. -- Ed Berard Phone: (301) 695-6960 FAX: (301) 695-7734
paulm@nikhefk.UUCP (Paul Molenaar) (01/24/89)
In article <457@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu> eberard@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Edward Berard) writes:
#Now that the Macintosh SE/30 and A/UX 1.1 have been officially
#announced, I have two (apparently) unrelated questions:
#
# 1. It would seem that a Macintosh SE/30 equipped with an 80
# megabyte internal drive could possibly support A/UX.(I will
# allow that one might be well-advised to augment such an SE
# with an external hard disk.) Is this an intended
# possibility? What other considerations, if any are
# required?
#
Nothing official, but:
we tested the SE/30 and found A/UX 1.01 to be able to run on the SE/30.
I see no non-marketing reason for Apple not the officially support A/UX
for the SE/30.
All in all I thought the machine was _fast_. Real fast. But speed
comes at a price.
# -- Ed Berard
# Phone: (301) 695-6960
# FAX: (301) 695-7734
Paul Molenaar
"Just checking the walls"
- Basil Fawlty -
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- Basil Fawlty -magorian@brillig.umd.edu (Dan Magorian) (01/25/89)
The Only reason(s) that Apple currently is not supporting, or marketing A/UX 1.1 for the SE 030 is that there is NO Ethernet support (no NuBus) for the SE, as aux only ran on a II before the new release. They list another reason as being no support for the serial ports for printing, but I haven't been able to test that yet (doesn't make sense??). I believe that a 2nd qtr release for 1.1.1 for the fixes is projected.
shebanow@Apple.COM (Andrew Shebanow) (01/28/89)
A/UX 1.1 will run on the SE/30, provided you have 4 megs of memory
and the disk space. Apple did not announce this compatibility
because one of the announced features of A/UX 1.1 was printing
over LocalTalk, and this feature doesn't work on the SE/30 since
no intelligent LocalTalk cards are available. When such a card
becomes available from a third party, A/UX may need an update
to support it.
A/UX 1.1 does support a lot more of the Mac toolbox than 1.0,
including color and printing. It does not support 100% of the
toolbox: in particular, low level, hardware specific code like
the SCSI Manager, the Time Manager, and the Serial driver are
not supported.
In order to find out more about A/UX compatibility, you should
read the "A/UX Toolbox: Macintosh ROM Reference" manual, which
is included with A/UX, and which will hopefully be available
from APDA someday soon. You should also read Technical Note #212,
which is available on sumex and from APDA.
Andrew Shebanow, Futurist, Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.
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In article <15619@mimsy.UUCP>, magorian@brillig (Dan Magorian) writes: >The Only reason(s) that Apple currently is not supporting, or marketing >A/UX 1.1 for the SE 030 is that there is NO Ethernet support (no NuBus) for >the SE, as aux only ran on a II before the new release. Well, Ethernet support doesn't really depend that much on NuBus. Already you can hook any Mac with a SCSI port to Ethernet, and there are Ethernet cards both for the SE and II. And now SE/30 is out, and so are the cards for the Direct Slot. Once you have your SE/30 with A/UX you would just plug in the verdor specific driver for your Ethernet card and start to NetWork. That's all there is to it. Or there should be. Of course, A/UX would have to support the Direct Slot cards, and Apple should have it's own Ethernet card for it (is there a one for the SE?). -- Jussi-Pekka Mantere jpm@cs.hut.fi Helsinki University of Technology, Finland jpm@finhutcs.bitnet Laboratory of Information Processing Science + 358 0 451 3231
domo@riddle.UUCP (Dominic Dunlop) (02/01/89)
In article <488@nikhefk.UUCP> paulm@nikhefk.UUCP (Paul Molenaar) writes: >In article <457@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu> eberard@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Edward Berard) writes: >#Now that the Macintosh SE/30 and A/UX 1.1 have been officially >#announced, I have two (apparently) unrelated questions: ># ># 1. It would seem that a Macintosh SE/30 equipped with an 80 ># megabyte internal drive could possibly support A/UX... ># >Nothing official, but: > >we tested the SE/30 and found A/UX 1.01 to be able to run on the SE/30. >I see no non-marketing reason for Apple not the officially support A/UX >for the SE/30. A trivial reason for non-support on the SE/30 that I can think of would be that A/UX might not include a driver for the "classic Mac" one bit-per-pixel, not too many pixels, screen. Ed, were you using the SE/30's own screen, which I understand is still of the "classic Mac" variety, or were you using something outboard? (Actually, I guess not, as I don't think anybody yet has expansion cards for the SE/30's new (as opposed to Nu) bus slot.) By the way, talking of marketing reasons, the SE/30 will ship in Europe with a 40 megabyte drive rather than 80. Anybody care to suggest a good basis for that decision? -- Dominic Dunlop domo@sphinx.co.uk domo@riddle.uucp
dwb@Apple.COM (David W. Berry) (02/03/89)
In article <15619@mimsy.UUCP> magorian@brillig.umd.edu.UUCP (Dan Magorian) writes: > >The Only reason(s) that Apple currently is not supporting, or marketing >A/UX 1.1 for the SE 030 is that there is NO Ethernet support (no NuBus) for >the SE, as aux only ran on a II before the new release. They list another reason >as being no support for the serial ports for printing, but I haven't been able >to test that yet (doesn't make sense??). I believe that a 2nd qtr release for >1.1.1 for the fixes is projected. Well, it supports printing through the serial poras per normal unix printing. What it doesn't support is AppleTalk printing though the on board serial ports. That (AppleTalk printing) requires one of the third party communications boards (either AST or SuperMac) Because of the differences between the Direct 30 slot and a NuBus slot (like, they're completely different) the drivers aren't ready. If third parties produce the boards and the drivers they should work just fine. Opinions: MINE, ALL MINE! (greedy evil chuckle) David W. Berry apple!dwb@sun.com dwb@apple.com 973-5168@408.MaBell
dr@cs.columbia.edu (David Robinowitz) (02/05/89)
I am in the process of buying a SE/030 (i.e. I am waiting for its arrival!). I am also interested in A/UX for this new baby, but I am completely clueless about it. So here are my questions: 1) How is A/UX distributed? Only on Apple drives? Floppies, tapes? 2) How much is it?! 3) Will future versions officially support the SE/30? 4) FOr networking multiple A/UX sites, can one use an SCSI ethernet device in lieu of a direct-slot card? I am interested in filling in the slot with an external monitor card (in the distant future). 5) Any info re: MACH for the Macs? Please respond via Email or through the net -- your help is greatly appreciated!