[comp.unix.aux] Installing gcc on A/UX 1.1

jak9213@helios.TAMU.EDU (John Kane) (12/02/89)

The subject about says it.

I have A/UX 1.1, the gcc files from apple.com

Following the instructions in the README, I get to the point where a do
a new "make". everything works for a while, but I then get the message
"too many defines".

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks.

 John Arthur Kane, Systems Analyst, Microcomputer Support and Training
 Texas A&M University, College Station, TX 77843  (409) 845-9999

 jak9213@helios.tamu.edu     profs: x043jk@tamvm1.tamu.edu

rmtodd@servalan.uucp (Richard Todd) (12/04/89)

In article <3961@helios.TAMU.EDU> jak9213@helios.TAMU.EDU (John Kane) writes:
>The subject about says it.
>
>I have A/UX 1.1, the gcc files from apple.com
>
>Following the instructions in the README, I get to the point where a do
>a new "make". everything works for a while, but I then get the message
>"too many defines".
  The problem is that the source for gcc is too complex for Apple's C compiler
to handle.  Believe it or not, the stock AT&T-derived CPP allocates space
for handling defines from a *fixed size buffer* (32K, I believe), and if 
your source code has more #defines than that, tough.  Rumour has it that 
in SVR4 AT&T has finally learned about malloc(3) and fixed this piece of
braindamage, but that's not much help to us now.
  So how do you compile gcc?  Well, you need a compiler and C preprocessor
that allocate space for #defines and other stuff dynamically instead of
using fixed-size buffers.  I.e., you need GCC binaries.  Fortunately,
there's a set of gcc binaries already made up and sitting there on
apple.com; I forget the exact file name but it's in the same directory with
gcc's source, so it should be easy to find.  Then simply hack the makefiles
etc. to use gcc instead of cc and everything should be just fine.  Of
course, there's no real reason to compile gcc when you've got the binaries
available, unless you want to hack on it; if all you're interested in is
being able to use the superior optimizations, ANSIness, etc. of gcc, you
can just install the binaries and go home for the day.  

  *FLAME ON*
  I'm still shocked that the standard compiler is braindead in this
fashion.  Compilers should not run out of table space for *anything* except
when you've actually used up all the available memory space in the system.
Great Ghu, Ron Cain's Small-C managed to get this right back in 1980; why
couldn't the mighty AT&T Unix Systems Group?  Malloc just ain't that hard
to use, guys!
  *FLAME OFF*
  (Final note for the curious: It ain't just the C Preprocessor that runs
into buffer-size limits with the GCC source; even if you get around that,
various expressions in the GCC source cause the C compiler proper to fill
up *its* fixed-size tables. Sigh.)
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	rmtodd@servalan.uucp
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jak9213@helios.TAMU.EDU (John Kane) (12/05/89)

In article <1989Dec4.062116.3446@servalan.uucp>, rmtodd@servalan.uucp (Richard Todd) writes:
> In article <3961@helios.TAMU.EDU> jak9213@helios.TAMU.EDU (John Kane) writes:
> >The subject about says it.
> >
> >I have A/UX 1.1, the gcc files from apple.com
> >
> >Following the instructions in the README, I get to the point where a do
> >a new "make". everything works for a while, but I then get the message
> >"too many defines".
>   The problem is that the source for gcc is too complex for Apple's C compiler
> to handle.  Believe it or not, the stock AT&T-derived CPP allocates space
> for handling defines from a *fixed size buffer* (32K, I believe), and if 
> your source code has more #defines than that, tough.  Rumour has it that 
> in SVR4 AT&T has finally learned about malloc(3) and fixed this piece of
> braindamage, but that's not much help to us now.
>   So how do you compile gcc?  Well, you need a compiler and C preprocessor
> that allocate space for #defines and other stuff dynamically instead of
> using fixed-size buffers.  I.e., you need GCC binaries.  Fortunately,
> there's a set of gcc binaries already made up and sitting there on
> apple.com; I forget the exact file name but it's in the same directory with
> gcc's source, so it should be easy to find.  Then simply hack the makefiles
> etc. to use gcc instead of cc and everything should be just fine.  Of
> course, there's no real reason to compile gcc when you've got the binaries
> available, unless you want to hack on it; if all you're interested in is
> being able to use the superior optimizations, ANSIness, etc. of gcc, you
> can just install the binaries and go home for the day.  
> 

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> Richard Todd	rmtodd@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu  rmtodd@chinet.chi.il.us
> 	rmtodd@servalan.uucp
> Motorola Skates On Intel's Head!

My mistake, I should have mentioned that I was running the gcc binaries
from apple.com. I still got the error, but at this time I cannot
absolutely state that it was compiled with gcc, but I feel very strongly
that it was.

I have been beating against this for about a week. If I can't get it to
compile, how can I ever install future patches?


I have been having problems installing other software. I guess that I am
used to the Sun 3/280 environment that I have done most of my work on.
Getting used to SVR2 is a pain, but I have no choice.

BTW - has anyone ever installed Perl 3.0 successfully?
I was/am having troubles doing so, and this lead me to trying to get gcc
up and running, which lead to this problem, ad nauseum.

Thanks.




 John Arthur Kane, Systems Analyst, Microcomputer Support and Training
 Texas A&M University, College Station, TX 77843  (409) 845-9999

 jak9213@helios.tamu.edu     profs: x043jk@tamvm1.tamu.edu

kowalski@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Jeffrey Kowalski) (12/05/89)

Someone writes:
> can't get GCC to compile

Well, sure you can't.  As discussed the CC from AT&T is a piece of
junk - fixed tables et al.
Well, even if you've got the gcc, you can't compile it because the
assembly portion of the compile process is messed up.  I keep getting
horrible errors.  Could I be correct in guessing that our friend
"as" has the same limit as "cc?"

Jeff
(sigs are for the insecure)

rmtodd@servalan.uucp (Richard Todd) (12/05/89)

In article <34840@cornell.UUCP> kowalski@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Jeffrey Kowalski) writes:
>Well, even if you've got the gcc, you can't compile it because the
>assembly portion of the compile process is messed up.  I keep getting
>horrible errors.  Could I be correct in guessing that our friend
>"as" has the same limit as "cc?"
Oops, forgot about that.  Yes, "as" has fixed-length tables that will overflow
-- if you turn on the -g flag on your compiles to include symbolic debugging
information.  Leave off -g in the CFLAGS when trying to build gcc and
everything works ok.  I've done it, it works.
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Richard Todd	rmtodd@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu  rmtodd@chinet.chi.il.us
	rmtodd@servalan.uucp
Motorola Skates On Intel's Head!

steveg@umd5.umd.edu (Steve Green) (12/05/89)

One suggestion.  Make a link from /usr/lib/big/as to /usr/local/lib/gcc-as.
Also, this will often stop the assembly errors.

As long as this subject has come up again... has ANYONE been able to build a 
stage 3 gcc on AUX???? 

aem@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (a.e.mossberg) (12/05/89)

gcc 1.35 with patches 1-3 applied is now available for anonymous
ftp from mthvax.cs.miami.edu (129.171.32.5)

This was compilied from the sources on apple.com, so if you want to go
the long way, by all means, try. I think, though I can't remember,
that it was something real simple to get it to compile (but frustrating
trying to find).

Save time, save money, come to crazy andrew's ftp house for the
latest in discount sources!

aem

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russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) (12/06/89)

In article <1989Dec4.062116.3446@servalan.uucp> rmtodd@servalan.UUCP (Richard Todd) writes:
>  The problem is that the source for gcc is too complex for Apple's C compiler
>to handle.  Believe it or not, the stock AT&T-derived CPP allocates space
>for handling defines from a *fixed size buffer* (32K, I believe), and if 
>your source code has more #defines than that, tough.  Rumour has it that 
>in SVR4 AT&T has finally learned about malloc(3) and fixed this piece of
>braindamage, but that's not much help to us now.
How about the C compiler in /usr/lib/big?  Is it able to handle gcc?
Not that it really matters of course-- given gcc binaries, gcc can be
used to compile itself, so this would just save a little download time.
Anyone else think it's ironic that Gnu's own philosophy prevents them
from stopping 'Evil Apple' from distributing their software...?
32K buffers?  Someone think that they are still using the 6502? Ack.
>--
>Richard Todd	rmtodd@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu  rmtodd@chinet.chi.il.us
>	rmtodd@servalan.uucp
>Motorola Skates On Intel's Head!


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rmtodd@servalan.uucp (Richard Todd) (12/07/89)

In article <1989Dec5.214610.25071@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>How about the C compiler in /usr/lib/big?  Is it able to handle gcc?
 Nope.  I'm not sure how big the buffers are in that version, but they
*still* aren't big enough.

>32K buffers?  Someone think that they are still using the 6502? Ack.
Actually, I assume it's leftovers from the heyday of the PDP-11.  Sigh.
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	rmtodd@servalan.uucp
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