fry@brauer.harvard.edu (DSF2) (03/23/90)
I'm looking into setting up A/UX 1.1.1 with X windows on a Mac II connected to our Suns over Ethernet. While I'm anxious to use A/UX 2.0, I need this thing running soon and can't wait for summer (plus there's the free upgrade). My question is with regards to X windows. I understand the X11 release for A/UX does not work concurrently with Mac applications under A/UX 2.0. Under 2.0, MacX seems the way to go. However, MacX doesn't exist yet and if I buy X11 with A/UX 1.1.1, I'll have to get MacX later. 1) If I had MacX for 1.1.1, would it run concurrently as a Mac program? 2) Any ideas when MacX will really be available? 3) Is there any reason to use the X11 "true Unix" version over MacX, under either system? 4) Under either system, if a program asks for a window larger than my screen (I'll be using a 13inch RGB), is the window made to fit, or do I have to resize it myself? 5) Lastly, just for the sake of comparison, how does using either X product compare to using Sun's X11 windowing system that I'm now using on a Sun3 in terms of speed? Thanks for any help. David Fry fry@huma1.harvard.EDU Department of Mathematics fry@huma1.bitnet Harvard University ...!harvard!huma1!fry Cambridge, MA 02138
steveg@umd5.umd.edu (Steve Green) (03/23/90)
In article <2323@husc6.harvard.edu> fry@brauer.harvard.edu (DSF2) writes:
]
]I'm looking into setting up A/UX 1.1.1 with X windows on a Mac II
]connected to our Suns over Ethernet. While I'm anxious to use A/UX
]2.0, I need this thing running soon and can't wait for summer (plus
]there's the free upgrade).
]
]My question is with regards to X windows. I understand the X11
]release for A/UX does not work concurrently with Mac applications
]under A/UX 2.0. Under 2.0, MacX seems the way to go. However, MacX
]doesn't exist yet and if I buy X11 with A/UX 1.1.1, I'll have to get
]MacX later.
]
]1) If I had MacX for 1.1.1, would it run concurrently as a Mac
]program?
although I have not tried it, it probably will not run at all under 1.x.x.
]2) Any ideas when MacX will really be available?
??
]3) Is there any reason to use the X11 "true Unix" version over MacX,
]under either system?
Yes. As of 2.0 beta3, MacX running on a 020 mac is hardly usable. X11R4
running under AUX 1.x.x or 2.0 works great. The difference between MacX and
MIT X is great enough to warrant the use of MIT X.
]>4) Under either system, if a program asks for a window larger than my
]screen (I'll be using a 13inch RGB), is the window made to fit, or do
]I have to resize it myself?
You have to resize it under MIT X and I think the same for MacX.
]5) Lastly, just for the sake of comparison, how does using either X
]product compare to using Sun's X11 windowing system that I'm now
]using on a Sun3 in terms of speed?
It has been a while since I used X on a Sun, but as I recall, X11R4
compiled with gcc under AUX (020) is faster than the X11R3 servers I have
used on Sun3's. (probably compiled with pcc)
]Thanks for any help.
]
]
]David Fry fry@huma1.harvard.EDU
]Department of Mathematics fry@huma1.bitnet
]Harvard University ...!harvard!huma1!fry
]Cambridge, MA 02138
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"Ignore the message: 'ld warning: file /tmp/kernAAAa06386 has no relocation
information' if it appears."coolidge@cassius.cs.uiuc.edu (John Coolidge) (03/23/90)
fry@brauer.harvard.edu (DSF2) writes: >1) If I had MacX for 1.1.1, would it run concurrently as a Mac >program? No idea. Haven't seen MacX under 1.1.1 (I know that's not much help). However, 1.1.1 only allows one Mac program at a time, so you're really still only getting X with a Mac-ish window manager. >2) Any ideas when MacX will really be available? No idea (sorry again). >3) Is there any reason to use the X11 "true Unix" version over MacX, >under either system? So far, from my experience with MacX and 2.0 (both obviously still beta): speed. MacX is quite slow compared to the "true Unix" version of X. Probably some of this is debugging code, some of it is tuning, and some is the extra work it's doing. Until the official release of both products, I'm not sure this is answerable. >4) Under either system, if a program asks for a window larger than my >screen (I'll be using a 13inch RGB), is the window made to fit, or do >I have to resize it myself? Under "true Unix" X11, you have to resize it yourself. I'm not sure of how MacX handles it right now, but to some extent it depends on what type of MacX window you're opening. There's certainly potential there for an intelligent resize. >5) Lastly, just for the sake of comparison, how does using either X >product compare to using Sun's X11 windowing system that I'm now >using on a Sun3 in terms of speed? X11R4 on Macs is pretty similar to X11R4 on Suns. The server keeps up on both about the same. Of course, the I/O bandwidth of a typical Sun (3/60) beats a Mac IIx (what we have) hands down, so the Sun "feels" faster. As long as you don't hit the disks or network, though, they're as fast if not faster (the IIx has a faster processor). The fx, with fast I/O, will smush most of Sun's 3/x and many 4/x machines (but, then, you'd expect it to). (And, speaking of the fx, what's the chance of a DMA ethernet card? In a NFS environment, that's more important than DMA disks...). All in all, I'd tend to recommend, as a holding action, getting the X11R4 release and building it with gcc. That doesn't cost you anything and gets you a full "true Unix" X11 that runs on 1.1.1 (and 2.0, for that matter). Then see how MacX looks when the official product comes out. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John L. Coolidge Internet:coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu UUCP:uiucdcs!coolidge Of course I don't speak for the U of I (or anyone else except myself) Copyright 1990 John L. Coolidge. Copying allowed if (and only if) attributed. You may redistribute this article if and only if your recipients may as well.