pke@public.BTR.COM (Peter Espen pke@btr.com) (09/03/90)
The following is a copy of an article posted to comp.emacs: ******************************************************** Article 874 of 887, Thu 17:28. Subject: GNU under A/UX 2.0 ??? From: rms@AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) Path: btr!decwrl!ucbvax!AI.MIT.EDU!rms Newsgroups: comp.emacs Date: 31 Aug 90 00:28:34 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU The FSF is not going to support any software on AUX because of the danger posed to future free software development by Apple's lawsuit. For more information about the lawsuit and the harm it can do, ask league@prep.ai.mit.edu for the position paper, "Against User Interface Copyright". To those of you who might find out about any ports to AUX: I hope you will not recommend them to anyone else. Third-party software plays an important role in making a system successful. To encourage use by others of any software for an Apple system is to contribute directly to Apple's sales activities. ********************************************************* Apple is paying a price for it's lawsuit! Any comments?? Peter Espen pke@btr.com
ron@afsg.apple.com (Ron Flax) (09/03/90)
In article <356@public.BTR.COM> pke@public.BTR.COM (Peter Espen pke@btr.com) writes: >Subject: GNU under A/UX 2.0 ??? >From: rms@AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) > >The FSF is not going to support any software on AUX because of the >danger posed to future free software development by Apple's lawsuit. > > Apple is paying a price for it's lawsuit! Any comments?? > Not really.. most of the necessary GNU software has been successfully ported to A/UX (emacs, gcc, g++, gdb) and is available for anonymous ftp on the internet. You just can't get it from FSF.. but it's still available and in just as good shape as that which one might get from FSF directly. >Peter Espen >pke@btr.com Ron Flax ron@afsg.apple.com
richf@adiron.UUCP (Rick Fanta) (09/04/90)
ron@afsg.apple.com (Ron Flax) writes: >In article <356@public.BTR.COM> pke@public.BTR.COM (Peter Espen pke@btr.com) writes: >>Subject: GNU under A/UX 2.0 ??? >>From: rms@AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) >> >>The FSF is not going to support any software on AUX because of the >>danger posed to future free software development by Apple's lawsuit. >> >> Apple is paying a price for it's lawsuit! Any comments?? >> >Not really.. most of the necessary GNU software has been successfully >ported to A/UX (emacs, gcc, g++, gdb) and is available for anonymous >ftp on the internet. You just can't get it from FSF.. but it's still >available and in just as good shape as that which one might get from >FSF directly. >>Peter Espen >>pke@btr.com >Ron Flax >ron@afsg.apple.com Slimeball companies stop at nothing. How can you (with a clear conscience) port GNU software? If Apple is going to continue with "Sadaam Hussein-like" lawsuits (I stole it fair and square, therefore it's mine) it has no business with any FSF product! May the source be with you! Death to slimeball software hoarders and their legions of lawyers! After the revolution, things will be different! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Fanta
kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) (09/06/90)
In article <456@adiron.UUCP>, richf@adiron.UUCP (Rick Fanta) writes: > Slimeball companies stop at nothing. How can you (with a clear conscience) > port GNU software? If Apple is going to continue with "Sadaam Hussein-like" > lawsuits (I stole it fair and square, therefore it's mine) it has no business > with any FSF product! > > May the source be with you! > > Death to slimeball software hoarders and their legions of lawyers! > > After the revolution, things will be different! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rick Fanta One would also ask why slimeball companies like FSF, which I have finally figured out means "free the software from everyone but the FSF". Do any of you realize that there is a CD-ROM being "SOLD" for a consiberable sum of money? Does this sound like free software to you? Also, why is it ok for FSF to "make" money off of other peoples efforts, but it isn't ok for other companies to make money off of their own efforts? Doesn't this sound just a bit hypocritical? Has anyone ever given thought to the fact that FSF is making money off of other peoples efforts in adding features, fixing bugs, etc. in GNU software? Can someone please explain to me why FSF should make money off of something that I added to some GNU software and gave back to the masses for free? Where is my cut? -- Kurt Baumann 703.709.9890 703.709.9896 FAX
jk@Apple.COM (John Kullmann) (09/06/90)
In article <456@adiron.UUCP> richf@adiron.UUCP (Rick Fanta) writes: >Slimeball companies stop at nothing. How can you (with a clear conscience) >port GNU software? If Apple is going to continue with "Sadaam Hussein-like" >lawsuits (I stole it fair and square, therefore it's mine) it has no business >with any FSF product! > >May the source be with you! > >Death to slimeball software hoarders and their legions of lawyers! > >After the revolution, things will be different! Rick- Since you FSF'ers flamed me for posting in the gnu group I feel compelled to do the same. Please keep your pseudo-political-techno-babble out of this actually useful newsgroup. We don't really care whether you want or think we should get gnu s/w running under a/ux. in fact, it's amazingly hypocritical to tell us not to, as that goes completely against the whole gnu concept. please keep your nonsense in one of those gnu groups. Up with GNU and A/UX! <- oh oh, mentioned both in same sentence. -jk -- John Kullmann A/UX Engineering Manager jk@apple.com
pld@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Peter L. DeWolf) (09/06/90)
In article <456@adiron.UUCP> richf@adiron.UUCP (Rick Fanta) writes: > Slimeball companies stop at nothing. How can you (with a clear conscience) > port GNU software? If Apple is going to continue with "Sadaam Hussein-like" > lawsuits (I stole it fair and square, therefore it's mine) it has no business > with any FSF product! > [more fanatical statements] Why should owners & users of Apple equipment be punished because Apple is litigious? GNU software is good. FSF refuses to support ports to the A/UX version of Unix. Users of A/UX have ported GNU software to A/UX, and Apple provides the results of those ports to other A/UX users. In this case, it looks like FSF is hoarding its own software by refusing to supply it to A/UX users, whereas Apple is making GNU software freely available! Interesting twist... - Peter L. DeWolf Motorola Cambridge Research Center pld@mcrc.mot.com -or- pld@abp.lcs.mit.edu
jamesth@microsoft.UUCP (James THIELE) (09/07/90)
In article <456@adiron.UUCP> richf@adiron.UUCP (Rick Fanta) writes: >ron@afsg.apple.com (Ron Flax) writes: > >>In article <356@public.BTR.COM> pke@public.BTR.COM (Peter Espen pke@btr.com) writes: |||Subject: GNU under A/UX 2.0 ??? |||From: rms@AI.MIT.EDU (Richard Stallman) ||| |||The FSF is not going to support any software on AUX because of the |||danger posed to future free software development by Apple's lawsuit. ||| ||| Apple is paying a price for it's lawsuit! Any comments?? ||| Kind of an interesting concept of *free* - free unless I don't like your policies. I don't imagine Stallman sees the irony, but he is of course entitled to his position. ||Not really.. most of the necessary GNU software has been successfully ||ported to A/UX (emacs, gcc, g++, gdb) and is available for anonymous ||ftp on the internet. You just can't get it from FSF.. but it's still ||available and in just as good shape as that which one might get from ||FSF directly. | |||Peter Espen |||pke@btr.com | ||Ron Flax ||ron@afsg.apple.com | | |Slimeball companies stop at nothing. How can you (with a clear conscience) |port GNU software? If Apple is going to continue with "Sadaam Hussein-like" |lawsuits (I stole it fair and square, therefore it's mine) it has no business |with any FSF product! The Apple-Microsoft lawsuit is not about who stole the interface, that is an issue between Xerox and Apple. It is a *fact* that Microsoft signed a licensing agreement with Apple - at issue is what the agreement covers. | |May the source be with you! | |Death to slimeball software hoarders and their legions of lawyers! I hope you avoid Lotus products, too. They've actually won a lawsuit on "look and feel". IBM and just about everyone else are also willing to sue over these issues. How do you feel about Intel's suit with AMD over the 80x86/80x87 chips? If we were to boycott every company that sues over any issue we'd have almost no software, but it wouldn't matter, because we'd have to boycott all the hardware, too. | |After the revolution, things will be different! Kind of hostile, it seems to me. Is he implying that all software should be free? If so, I'm not sure many of us could make a living at it. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Rick Fanta | James Thiele -- microsoft!jamesth Deleted multiple, incredibly legalistic disclaimers, which ultimately boil down to the fact that I speak only for myself.
kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) (09/08/90)
In article <33626@cup.portal.com>, chad@cup.portal.com (Chad The-Walrus Netzer) writes: > t just means AUX'ers must support their machine by > themselves. Whether you agree with the FSF or not, you cannot deny them their > rights to choose how to spend their time and who to support. Agreed. But this doesn't mean that we have to listen to their warped political statements in this group. I'll go to their area of the world if I want distortion. Thank you very much. -- Kurt Baumann InterCon Systems Corporation 703.709.9890 Creators of fine TCP/IP products 703.709.9896 FAX for the Macintosh.
luke@modus.sublink.ORG (Luciano Mannucci) (09/08/90)
In article <26E66EEC.1AE4@intercon.com>, kdb@macaw.intercon.com (Kurt Baumann) writes: > Can someone please explain to me why FSF should make money off of something > that I added to some GNU software and gave back to the masses for free? > Where is my cut? Oh, well, if you pretend your cut *nobody* obliges you to work for FSF. Prehaps some guys will be happy if you do so. If it's not enough for you, just Don't Do Thath Then. luke. - -- _ _ __ Via Aleardo Aleardi, 12 - 20154 Milano (Italy) | | | _ _| (__ PHONE : +39 2 3315328 FAX: +39 2 3315778 | | |(_)(_||_|___) Srl E-MAIL: luke@modus.sublink.ORG ______________________________ Software & Services for Advertising & Marketing
dhoyt@vx.acs.umn.edu (09/08/90)
In article <57245@microsoft.UUCP>, jamesth@microsoft.UUCP (James THIELE) writes... >Is he implying that all software should be free? If so, I'm not >sure many of us could make a living at it. Aw, come on now. Stallman makes a good living (and free rent) by saying how great he is. And all those people working for universities developing FSF software off of tax dollars. It's easy making money when your salary doesn't come out of sales of things you produce. david paul hoyt | dhoyt@vx.acs.umn.edu | dhoyt@umnacvx.bitnet