hansm@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (Hans Mulder) (11/15/90)
Greetings. I am about to purchase A/UX for my Mac II and still have a couple of questions left: 1. how much memory do you recommend? I have 5M and am planning to upgrade to 8M (is it possible to use 4M simms in a II?) 2. do I have other options than buying the M68851? e.g. a simple 68030 card or a real accelerator? which work, which don't work with A/UX? what are the prices of the different options? 3. how will A/UX perform on my Mac II? relative to, for example, a sun 3/60? 4. is there an update for 2.0 due soon? 5. where can I find A/UX archives? with news-net discussions? X11R4 A/UX patches? etc. ? 6. what questions did I forget? Thanks in advance for your help. Hans Mulder hansm@duteca.et.tudelft.nl
coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu (John Coolidge) (11/23/90)
hansm@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (Hans Mulder) writes: >I am about to purchase A/UX for my Mac II and still have a couple >of questions left: > 1. how much memory do you recommend? > I have 5M and am planning to upgrade to 8M I went to 8M really quickly :-). > (is it possible to use 4M simms in a II?) No. There are a couple of NuBus memory boards, but at least one (the National Semi) is rumored to not work with A/UX 2.0 anyway. > 2. do I have other options than buying the M68851? > e.g. a simple 68030 card or a real accelerator? > which work, which don't work with A/UX? > what are the prices of the different options? I hope someone answers this affirmatively (for something in my price range; once the accelerator gets over $1k I'm better off saving my pennies for the IIfx upgrade :-)). I tried the Dove Marathon '030 with a beta and had no luck, but it turns out that at that point my machine wasn't ready for A/UX anyway (too old a motherboard, A/UX complained about archaic versions of I/O system or some such). > 3. how will A/UX perform on my Mac II? > relative to, for example, a sun 3/60? I've found it to be a bit faster than a sun 3/60 depending on the task. The big loss is that Mac II's don't have DMA hardware, so you lose on I/O. Computationally they're equivalent, and the OS seems to be a bit tighter than SunOS 4.x (then again, little isn't...). > 4. is there an update for 2.0 due soon? 2.0.1 is supposed to be out next spring. I haven't heard what the update policy will be. > 5. where can I find A/UX archives? > with news-net discussions? > X11R4 A/UX patches? > etc. ? aux.support.apple.com has an archive of comp.unix.aux postings and a number of patches (supported and unsupported). I'm maintaining an archive at wuarchive.wustl.edu that has a bunch of Gnu tools, the X11R4 binaries and patches, and occasionally other stuff. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John L. Coolidge Internet:coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu UUCP:uiucdcs!coolidge Of course I don't speak for the U of I (or anyone else except myself) Copyright 1990 John L. Coolidge. Copying allowed if (and only if) attributed. You may redistribute this article if and only if your recipients may as well.
wirehead@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) (11/25/90)
><hansm@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (Hans Mulder) asks if he needs an MMU for A/UX
The good news is that a 68030 accelerator board for a MacII will work just
fine with A/UX, the bad news is that you will have to get the SuperDrive ROM
upgrade in order for the ROMs to recognize the MMU on the '030. So, you can
buy an MMu for about $150-$200, or you can go ahead and buy an accelerator
for your Mac and then fork out the $185 it will take to got the ROM upgrade.
Hope this helps.
David
The preceding was another fine product of the fevered brain of
wirehead@oxy.edu
"When you need the looniest opinions around, and you care enough to send
only the very best, use wirehead..."fnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordsramtrc@windy.dsir.govt.nz (11/26/90)
> >> (is it possible to use 4M simms in a II?) > > No. There are a couple of NuBus memory boards, but at least one (the > National Semi) is rumored to not work with A/UX 2.0 anyway. > The answer is yes. I have 4x4 + 4x1 SIMMS in my Mac II giving me 20MB altogether. You just have to imake sure you get special Mac II SIMMS; ie there are 3 types of 4MB SIMMS: Mac II, Mac II?, and Mac IIfx where the ? stands for anything except fx. If you mix 4MB and 1 MB SIMMS put the 4's in bank A. If you just have 4x4 in bank A and want to use 8MB in Finder you will have to either use Maxima or upgrade to Mac IIx ROMS. Otherwise the Mac II ROMS will only see 4MB even though you have 16MB. I don't know what happens under A/UX. I suspect that A/UX will be able to find all the RAM. I did the IIx ROM upgrade. If you do the IIx ROM upgrade you can get the upgrade from your Apple dealer for about $299. Don't be tempted to do the FDHD upgrade at the same time. Just do the ROMs and then buy a FDHD drive elsewhere if you want an FDHD. Much cheaper (eg $149). Tony Cooper sramtrc@albert.dsir.govt.nz
sramtrc@windy.dsir.govt.nz (11/26/90)
In article <128126@tiger.oxy.edu>, wirehead@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) writes: >><hansm@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (Hans Mulder) asks if he needs an MMU for A/UX > > The good news is that a 68030 accelerator board for a MacII will work just > fine with A/UX, the bad news is that you will have to get the SuperDrive ROM > upgrade in order for the ROMs to recognize the MMU on the '030. So, you can Not true. Siclone 68030 accelerators work fine on a Mac II under A/UX or MacOS without the ROM upgrade. I imagine other accelerators will too. > > The preceding was another fine product of the fevered brain of > > wirehead@oxy.edu > > "When you need the looniest opinions around, and you care enough to send > only the very best, use wirehead..."fnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnordfnord Another synaptic bungle from wirehead. I can't complain, however, at least he put in a disclaimer. Tony Cooper sramtrc@albert.dsir.govt.nz
dyer@spdcc.COM (Steve Dyer) (11/26/90)
In article <18764.27500695@windy.dsir.govt.nz> sramtrc@albert.dsir.govt.nz writes: >Not true. Siclone 68030 accelerators work fine on a Mac II under A/UX or >MacOS without the ROM upgrade. I imagine other accelerators will too. Dove Marathon 030 needs the ROM upgrade to run A/UX. >Another synaptic bungle from wirehead. I can't complain, however, at least he >put in a disclaimer. OK, where's yours? -- Steve Dyer dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer dyer@arktouros.mit.edu, dyer@hstbme.mit.edu
jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) (11/27/90)
In article <128126@tiger.oxy.edu> wirehead@oxy.edu (David J. Harr) writes: >><hansm@duteca8.et.tudelft.nl (Hans Mulder) asks if he needs an MMU for A/UX > >The good news is that a 68030 accelerator board for a MacII will work just >fine with A/UX, the bad news is that you will have to get the SuperDrive ROM >upgrade in order for the ROMs to recognize the MMU on the '030. So, you can >buy an MMu for about $150-$200, or you can go ahead and buy an accelerator >for your Mac and then fork out the $185 it will take to got the ROM upgrade. > Actually, it depends on the Accelerator card. For example, the Dove Marathon REQUIRES the ROM upgrade and the PMMU chip NOT installed (that is, you must have the original MacII AMU chip installed) else it gets confused. The Daystar boards DON'T require the ROM upgrade since they supply a chip that plugs into the AMU/PMMU socket... I guess this takes care of convincing the Mac that the MMU capability is in the CPU... this chip may be some-kinda "loopback" circuit that directs instructions back to the CPU :/ The Siclone cards also don't require the ROM upgrade... it's better to check with the card's manufacturer. If you plan on upgrading to the SuperDrive OR using the 4MB RAM SIMMS, then you NEED the ROM upgrade, whether you're running a 68030 or a 68020. Whew :) -- ======================================================================= #include <std/disclaimer.h> =:^) Jim Jagielski NASA/GSFC, Code 711.1 jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov Greenbelt, MD 20771 "Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."
coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu (John Coolidge) (11/27/90)
jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes: >The Daystar boards DON'T require the ROM upgrade since they supply a chip >that plugs into the AMU/PMMU socket... I guess this takes care of convincing >the Mac that the MMU capability is in the CPU... this chip may be some-kinda >"loopback" circuit that directs instructions back to the CPU :/ >The Siclone cards also don't require the ROM upgrade... it's better to check >with the card's manufacturer. >If you plan on upgrading to the SuperDrive OR using the 4MB RAM SIMMS, then >you NEED the ROM upgrade, whether you're running a 68030 or a 68020. Is this implication correct: if I shell out the $150ish (I think) for the ROM upgrade, I can a) use the Dove accelerator and b) also use 4MB SIMMs in my Mac II? Hadn't heard the one about 4M SIMMs --- that makes the ROM upgrade a lot more reasonable. Of course, I'd still like to do the fx upgrade one day :-). --John
marcelo@sparcwood.Princeton.EDU (Marcelo A. Gallardo) (11/29/90)
Hello once again! I'm sure you are all tired of hearing me plead for
help, but you have all been so helpful so far, I see no reason to
stop (unless I'm really bothering you, in which case you shouldn't
read this).
I've been trying to install C news, and keep running into a small
little problem when running "doit.bin". I've seen several people
posting in the past that they have C news running, and thought
someone might be able to give me a hand with the error.
+ cd ../expire
+ make all DBM= COPTS=-O
cc -O -I../include expire.o ../libcnews.a -o expire
undefined first referenced
symbol in file
ftime expire.o
ld fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to expire
Make: Update of expire terminated with exit code 13
Make: Target expire is on line 42 in /tmp/expire/Makefile
Make: Stopped in directory /tmp/expire.
I'm not quite sure what the above means except for the fact that
there was an error somewhere. I'm not sure why I get this error, and
any help getting past this step would be appreciated.
.. Marcelo ..
marcelo@sparcwood.princeton.edu
marcelo@phoenix.princeton.edu
marcelo@pucc.princeton.edu
marcelo@idunno.princeton.edu
Marcelo Gallardo
Test and Evaluation Specialist
Princeton University
Advanced Technologies and Applications
609 - 258 - 5661rick@crowbar.apple.com (Rick Auricchio) (11/30/90)
In article <18767.2755adc6@windy.dsir.govt.nz> sramtrc@albert.dsir.govt.nz writes: >Better than the fx upgrade is the 68040 upgrade. It is free with A/UX >2.1 which is a free upgrade to 2.0. > >Cheers, >Tony > >Disclaimer: One of the above sentences is not true. Oh, now I understand. Never mind. -- Rick Auricchio, Apple Computer Inc, 10300 Bubb Rd, MS 50-UX Cupertino CA 95014 rick@apple.COM Mooney N894AR (408) 974-4227 Work is for people who don't know how to fly. My opinion is my own. My employer? They use a windsock and a fire extinguisher.
sramtrc@windy.dsir.govt.nz (11/30/90)
In article <1990Nov27.041826.15302@julius.cs.uiuc.edu>, coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu (John Coolidge) writes: > >>If you plan on upgrading to the SuperDrive OR using the 4MB RAM SIMMS, then >>you NEED the ROM upgrade, whether you're running a 68030 or a 68020. > > Is this implication correct: if I shell out the $150ish (I think) for > the ROM upgrade, I can a) use the Dove accelerator and b) also use > 4MB SIMMs in my Mac II? Hadn't heard the one about 4M SIMMs --- that > makes the ROM upgrade a lot more reasonable. Of course, I'd still like > to do the fx upgrade one day :-). > No this is not correct. You don't need the ROM upgrade for the SuperDrive or for 4MB SIMMS. After all, what's in a ROM? Just software, and software can be provided in other ways than by ROM. What you DO need for the SuperDrive upgrade is the SWIM chip that comes with the ROM upgrade kit and if you want to boot from the drive then you also need the ROM upgrade. For 4MB SIMMS you need special SIMMS with a pal on them but you don't need the ROM upgrade. But to use 3 of the 4 megabytes in each SIMM you need some software. This software is part of the new ROMs or it can be provided by a program called MAXIMA (from the company that makes VIRTUAL) for MacOS. For A/UX I don't know what the story is. Maybe A/UX can use the remaining 3 out of 4 MB, maybe it can't. I never tried it. Better than the fx upgrade is the 68040 upgrade. It is free with A/UX 2.1 which is a free upgrade to 2.0. Cheers, Tony Disclaimer: One of the above sentences is not true.
alexis@panix.uucp (Alexis Rosen) (11/30/90)
Well, I don't have that problem with Cnews. So you've answered some of the
configuration questions wrong. It's hard to be sure, since the error text
you included was not very helpful (and formatted strangely), but I'd guess
offhand that you told Cnews that A/UX supports something it doesn't. It's
called timeb.h. Just tell it that A/UX doesn't have that feature and Cnews
will fake it for you.
Also, try compiling it with the -D_BSD_SOURCE switch. That will eliminate
the need for "setnewsids". (Thanks to Matthias Uhrlichs for reminding me
how I managed to do this.)
Does anyone have a good guess as to the best set of optimization switches
to use with gcc when making Cnews? I've been to lazy to experiment...
---
Alexis Rosen
Owner/Sysadmin, PANIX Public Access Unix, NY
{cmcl2,apple}!panix!alexisjim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) (11/30/90)
In article <18767.2755adc6@windy.dsir.govt.nz> sramtrc@albert.dsir.govt.nz writes: >In article <1990Nov27.041826.15302@julius.cs.uiuc.edu>, coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu (John Coolidge) writes: >> >>>If you plan on upgrading to the SuperDrive OR using the 4MB RAM SIMMS, then >>>you NEED the ROM upgrade, whether you're running a 68030 or a 68020. >> >> Is this implication correct: if I shell out the $150ish (I think) for >> the ROM upgrade, I can a) use the Dove accelerator and b) also use >> 4MB SIMMs in my Mac II? Hadn't heard the one about 4M SIMMs --- that >> makes the ROM upgrade a lot more reasonable. Of course, I'd still like >> to do the fx upgrade one day :-). >> >No this is not correct. You don't need the ROM upgrade for the SuperDrive >or for 4MB SIMMS. After all, what's in a ROM? Just software, and software >can be provided in other ways than by ROM. What you DO need for the >SuperDrive upgrade is the SWIM chip that comes with the ROM upgrade kit >and if you want to boot from the drive then you also need the ROM upgrade. You can't buy the SWIM chip itself, it only comes with the ROM Upgrade. There have also been reports that using the SWIM chip w/o the ROMs have caused occasional trouble. So let's see, you can either buy the ROM upgrade, install the SWIM chip but NOT the ROM's then shell out more bucks to do what the ROMs do... make sense to me :) > >For 4MB SIMMS you need special SIMMS with a pal on them but you don't need >the ROM upgrade. But to use 3 of the 4 megabytes in each SIMM you need >some software. This software is part of the new ROMs or it can be provided >by a program called MAXIMA (from the company that makes VIRTUAL) for MacOS. Again, see above. The point is that to make maximum use of the 4MB SIMMs and the SuperDrive, you need software. True, you may not need the ROMs per se, but you get them with the SuperDrive upgrade and kills 2 birds with 1 stone. In other words, if you want to upgrade to the SuperDrive AND use 4MB SIMMs, then you can do it getting the ROM upgrade and that's all (except, of course, for the SuperDrive itself and the SIMMs :). For the SuperDrive, you need to buy the ROM Upgrade which comes with the needed SWIM chip. Doing so, you already have 4MB SIMM "compatibility" software you need in the ROM chips and need no additional software. If you just want the use of the SIMMs, then you can buy the SIMMs and software that supports them. But if you upgrade to the SuperDrive in the future, then you have to buy the ROM upgrade and you'll be paying again for the SIMM "software". Of course, someone will follow up on this and say what kind of 3rd party SuperDrive upgrade paths are available and how you don't need the SWIM chip OR the ROMs... :) > >Better than the fx upgrade is the 68040 upgrade. It is free with A/UX >2.1 which is a free upgrade to 2.0. > Yeah, but you gotta pay $10 for the upgrade from A/UX 1.0 to 2.0 :):):) -- ======================================================================= #include <std/disclaimer.h> =:^) Jim Jagielski NASA/GSFC, Code 711.1 jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov Greenbelt, MD 20771 "Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."