coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu (John Coolidge) (04/25/91)
[Followups to comp.unix.aux; the FSF does not want Apple-related discussions on the gnu.* groups (except maybe gnu.misc.discuss). However, some misinformation here needs fixing or some FSFers will die of apoplexy :-)] kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley) writes: >In article umh@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: >>In article javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto) writes: >>> >>> A friend of mine has an apple MAC IIfx and wants to use some software >>> package called MOTIF. To mount the software, he tells me that GNU C is >>> required. Can anybody help me out on this one? >>> >>As a fellow Mac owner I sympathize with your friend. He is out of luck- no GNU >>products are available for the Mac, because the Free Software Foundation, who >>write all GNU stuff, have a very strong opposition to companies that try to >>retain market share by suing competition rather than by making better products, >>and of course we all know Apple's stand on this issue. >Most of this is patently false. Your ramblings might be more appropriate for >alt.religion.computers. :-) >Apple has two different ports of gcc. Apple distributes an A/UX version, >source and binaries, for a fee. Don't act surprised, FSF charges money >for tapes too, and they don't include the binaries. This is not true. The port of A/UX done by David Berry (formerly of Apple) and maintained by me is distributed for free via ftp from either Apple or wuarchive.wustl.edu (the wuarchive version tends to be more up-to-date). As far as I know, no one has ever tried to charge for this; the only case under which I would consider charging is a nominal fee if someone needs it mailed on diskettes (I might want a dollor or two per disk to cover time spent copying things, nothing more). Source and binaries are available. Any changes would be happily given back to the FSF, if they wanted them; we're staying within the spirit of the GPL. Any discussion about the boycott should be on gnu.misc.discuss; it does NOT belong here. >Plus, there is an MPW >version available by anon ftp from apple.com in the /pub/mpw-gcc directory. Actually, this has moved to ftp.apple.com, I think. I've never used it. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------------- John L. Coolidge Internet:coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu UUCP:uiucdcs!coolidge Of course I don't speak for the U of I (or anyone else except myself) Copyright 1991 John L. Coolidge. Copying allowed if (and only if) attributed. You may redistribute this article if and only if your recipients may as well.
ksand@Apple.COM (Kent Sandvik, 120dB or more) (04/26/91)
In article <1991Apr25.153513.27353@m.cs.uiuc.edu> coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu writes: >>Apple has two different ports of gcc. Apple distributes an A/UX version, >>source and binaries, for a fee. Don't act surprised, FSF charges money >>for tapes too, and they don't include the binaries. > >This is not true. The port of A/UX done by David Berry (formerly of >Apple) and maintained by me is distributed for free via ftp from either >Apple or wuarchive.wustl.edu (the wuarchive version tends to be more >up-to-date). As far as I know, no one has ever tried to charge for this; >the only case under which I would consider charging is a nominal fee if >someone needs it mailed on diskettes (I might want a dollor or two per >disk to cover time spent copying things, nothing more). Source and >binaries are available. Any changes would be happily given back to the >FSF, if they wanted them; we're staying within the spirit of the GPL. True, it is actually dangerous to take money of the FSF products due to their 'Copyleft' statement. Any FSF tool should be shipped with the binaries and code. And the money taken should be part of the distribution and media costs. Now ftp is nearly for free (well, some tax payers have to pay the bill..). Kent -- Kent Sandvik, DTS junkie
d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) (04/27/91)
In article <> ksand@Apple.COM (Kent Sandvik, 120dB or more) writes:
to their 'Copyleft' statement. Any FSF tool should be shipped with
the binaries and code. And the money taken should be part of the
distribution and media costs. Now ftp is nearly for free (well, some
Yes, and you're allowed to charge for support. Support may include the
crypt(1) key needed to unpack the distribution :-)
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Jon W{tte
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