sudke@unidoct.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (Hilmar Sudke) (05/31/91)
Does anyone knows :
1. are there any tapestreamers (execept Apple's) running under
A/UX 2.0.1 and
2. is there a driver for Apple's PC 5 1/4" floppydrive
(Model No. A9M0110) under A/UX 2.0.1 avaible
Please send it to my email-address. I will summarize it.
Thanks in advance
Hilmar
*******************************************************************
* Hilmar Sudke Universitaet Dortmund *
* Telefon : 0231/755-2310 Emil-Figge-Str. 66 *
* 0231/755-2313 Postfach 500500 *
* Telefax : 0231/755-5222 4600 Dortmund 50 *
* Telex : 822445 unido d Germany *
* Eunet : sudke at unidoct.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de *
*******************************************************************d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) (05/31/91)
> sudke@unidoct.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (Hilmar Sudke) writes:
1. are there any tapestreamers (execept Apple's) running under
A/UX 2.0.1 and
The built-in drivers also support Archive and Viper drives (unofficially)
Micronet sells TEAC 150MB drives with drivers. They don't sell the drivers
separately, but Tony Cooper (who has writeen the drivers) have made them
available for ftp - with a time-limit built-into the driver. Just scan the
backlog of this group and you'll find the ftp name, which i forget :-)
--
Jon W{tte
h+@nada.kth.se
- Speed !mann@intacc.uucp (Jeff Mann) (06/03/91)
In article <D88-JWA.91May31185017@hemul.nada.kth.se> d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes: >> sudke@unidoct.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (Hilmar Sudke) writes: > > 1. are there any tapestreamers (execept Apple's) running under > A/UX 2.0.1 and > >The built-in drivers also support Archive and Viper drives (unofficially) > >Micronet sells TEAC 150MB drives with drivers. They don't sell the drivers >separately, but Tony Cooper (who has writeen the drivers) have made them >available for ftp - with a time-limit built-into the driver. Just scan the >backlog of this group and you'll find the ftp name, which i forget :-) I called Micronet to order one of their 150MB drives with A/UX driver. Micronet does NOT presently sell tape drives with A/UX drivers, except for their DAT drives. Although they did purchase Tony's driver software, they are not shipping it, and have no plans to in the very near future. They claim the software does not work properly, probably due in part to bugs in the A/UX SCSI manager. Supposedly, extensive cpio or tar backups and restores are unstable, and dd is the only reliable method. The version of Tony's software that they have is several months old, so maybe there have been some fixes since then. Since Apple has discontinued the SC40 tape drive, there are NO tape drives available that support A/UX (or rather, A/UX doesn't support tape backup), except for the DAT models. This really pisses me off. I've got a 650MB drive and there's no way in hell I'm going to back it up onto floppies. Also, there's a bunch of UNIX software I need that only comes on QIC-format tape cartriges. The fact that A/UX doesn't support non-Apple hard drives (without using SilverLining, etc) is inexcusable. The fact that it doesn't support non-Apple tape drives under any circumstance, and that Apple doesn't even make tape drives anymore, is just plain stupid. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Jeff Mann Inter/Access Artists' Computer Centre, Toronto [416] 535-8601 | | intacc!mann@cs.toronto.edu Matrix Artists' BBS: [416] 535-7598 2400 8N1 | | ...uunet!mnetor!intacc!mann mann@intacc.uucp [416] 535-1443 Telebit 8N1 | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
dumais@mauxci.uucp (Paul Dumais) (06/04/91)
In article <1991Jun2.222552.28785@intacc.uucp> mann@intacc.uucp (Jeff Mann) writes: [stuff deleted] >Since Apple has discontinued the SC40 tape drive, there are NO tape >drives available that support A/UX (or rather, A/UX doesn't support tape >backup), except for the DAT models. This really pisses me off. Jeff, please check before you make such a bold statement. A/UX does have tape drive support from a number of third parties and the formats include more than just DAT. Look on AppleLink under the A/UX Icon or call your dealer (in your case University Book Store, right?). I found several backup solutions in the 1991 Macintosh Product Registry [start pp.356]. Check it out. >I've got a 650MB drive and there's no way in hell I'm going to back it up >onto floppies. You probably don't want to back it up to Apple 40 Tapes either ;-) >Also, there's a bunch of UNIX software I need that only comes on QIC-format tape cartriges. Try the MaxStream 250Q from Maynard (407 263-3500). There are others. This was the first one that I called. >The fact that A/UX doesn't support non-Apple hard drives (without using SilverLining, etc) is inexcusable. This isn't true. You can use the A/UX tools diskformat(1M) and dp(1M) to set up any drive. As well most drives come preformatted so all you have to do is partition the drive. That isn't too hard. Finally, there are *many* companies that include A/UX compatible formatting and partitioning software with their drives. Call Daynatek here in Toronto. When you buy their 650M Fujutsu drive you get the A/UX software. Here are some A/UX compatible drive format/partition software packages. HDSC Setup SilverLining DiskManager SCSI Director CMS 6.0.1 PLI Formatter HDD Formatter Relax Installer Smart Format >The fact that it doesn't support non-Apple tape drives under any >circumstance, and that Apple doesn't even make tape drives anymore, is >just plain stupid. Jeff, Tony Cooper has written a tape driver that is available on the Net. The driver is A/UX 2.0 compatible and will recognize most tape drives. Stay cool dude and check things out a little more before you say A/UX *can't* do something 'cause I bet it can. >| Jeff Mann Inter/Access Artists' Computer Centre, Toronto [416] 535-8601 | -ped- -- _. Paul E. Dumais A/UX Specialist Apple Canada, Inc. ._ _. Internet: dumais@apple.com 7495 Birchmount Rd. ._ _. UUCP: {apple, geac, utgpu}!mauxci!dumais Markham, Ontario L3R 5G2 ._
tony@kahu.marcam.dsir.govt.nz (Tony Cooper) (06/04/91)
In article <1991Jun2.222552.28785@intacc.uucp>, mann@intacc.uucp (Jeff Mann) writes: |> I called Micronet to order one of their 150MB drives with A/UX driver. [ ...] |> near future. They claim the software does not work properly, probably |> due in part to bugs in the A/UX SCSI manager. Supposedly, extensive |> cpio or tar backups and restores are unstable, and dd is the only |> reliable method. The version of Tony's software that they have is |> several months old, so maybe there have been some fixes since then. This is news to me. The version that I gave them in July 1990 (version 1.00) works fine under A/UX. I think that they are confusing A/UX tar and cpio bugs with driver bugs. I know that A/UX 2.0 tar had some bugs. In any case, the person who was looking after A/UX at MicroNet has left and so the information you have is second (or third) hand. The information straight from the horse's mouth is that the 1.01 driver is in MicroNet's hands and it works fine for a number of drives and A/UX 1.1 upwards. They have a new A/UX person now. His name is Don. (I sent you a message Jeff but the mail bounced.) |> Since Apple has discontinued the SC40 tape drive, there are NO tape |> drives available that support A/UX (or rather, A/UX doesn't support tape |> backup), except for the DAT models. This really pisses me off. I've I don't think this is true. There are others out there. FWB support a number of tape drives. And A/UX has a driver that supports more than the SC40 too. |> got a 650MB drive and there's no way in hell I'm going to back it up What do you know! 650 = half a DAT tape (or 1/4). DAT was made for your system. |> onto floppies. Also, there's a bunch of UNIX software I need that only |> comes on QIC-format tape cartriges. The fact that A/UX doesn't support [...] |> The fact that it doesn't support non-Apple tape drives under any |> circumstance, and that Apple doesn't even make tape drives anymore, is |> just plain stupid. Wrong. A/UX does support non Apple tape drives under some circumstances. In fact A/UX 2.0 supports Viper and Archive drives. The reason why is because Apple use these drives in house (I think). I don't know which models. I wouldn't say it was "plain stupid" but I would say they they have a missed opportunity there. In fact, Apple have lots of missed opportunity on the SCSI peripheral side of things. But it could be that their policy is to leave SCSI peripherals to third parties. It could be that their policy is to make Macs and Mac software rather than stuff anyone can make. Tony Cooper sramtrc@albert.dsir.govt.nz
mann@intacc.uucp (Jeff Mann) (06/11/91)
In article <1991Jun3.235625.6822@mauxci.uucp> dumais@mauxci.UUCP (Paul Dumais) writes: >In article <1991Jun2.222552.28785@intacc.uucp> mann@intacc.uucp (Jeff Mann) writes: > >[stuff deleted] > >>Since Apple has discontinued the SC40 tape drive, there are NO tape >>drives available that support A/UX (or rather, A/UX doesn't support tape >>backup), except for the DAT models. This really pisses me off. > >Jeff, please check before you make such a bold statement. A/UX does >have tape drive support from a number of third parties and the formats >include more than just DAT. Look on AppleLink under the A/UX Icon or call >your dealer (in your case University Book Store, right?). I found several >backup solutions in the 1991 Macintosh Product Registry [start pp.356]. Check >it out. Do you think I haven't checked this problem out? I've got 400 meg of data on-line, and no backup method! A summary of my search: 1. I had an ad from Archive (that my dealer gave me) about a 150m cartrige drive with A/UX support. I ordered the drive through my dealer. "Huh? This isn't a cartrige drive, its a cassette - and there's no A/UX drivers..." Several calls to Archive (now Maynard) and I was told that the model I had really wanted was discontinued (and the model number re-used on a different product, for some reason). And that the A/UX drivers were for A/UX version 1 only. So I said, "ok, I want to exchange this drive for a cartrige drive." They told me about the MaxStream 250Q cartrige drive. "Great I'll take it! Does the A/UX driver come with it, or is it separate?" "Well, uh, we don't have an A/UX driver for it. Sorry. We'll give you a refund..." I sent the drive back and got a refund. This was about a month or two ago. 2. I heard about how Micronet ships an A/UX driver (the one that Tony Cooper wrote) free with their drives. Again, after several calls to several different people in their tech support, I was told that Micronet does not support A/UX except for DAT drives, and that Tony Cooper's driver was not reliable with TAR or CPIO, and therefore they were not shipping it and had no plans to. 3. I heard that Tony had made his driver available for ftp. But since it had a time-bomb in it, and Micronet said it wasn't shippable, I didn't consider entrusting my data to it. 4. I heard that the A/UX driver "unofficially" supported Archive drives. Again, this seemed a little untrustworthy. I want my backup method to at least be supported by someone, either Apple or the drive manufacturer! 5. I had my dealer do one more check on Apple Link for a solution. He assured me that there wasn't one. 5. This is the point that I wrote the article saying there weren't any tape (cartrige) drives. A logical and well "checked-out" conclusion, considering the above experiences. Since that time, I received a message from Tony Cooper, assuring me that his driver works, and that Micronet should ship it. He said the problems with TAR and CPIO were A/UX bugs. He gave me the name of another person to contact there, which I haven't done yet. So the jury is still out on this one, in my opinion. Not that I don't believe Tony that the driver works, but I want it supported by the vendor. I also insisted that my dealer send me a copy of all information on Apple Link re. tape drives. Although the Archive MaxStream 250Q is listed, both myself and my dealer were told flat out that Archive did not support the use of their drives with A/UX. (From their tech support, about a month ago). I don't know who to believe. I did manage to find *one* possibility that my dealer had missed - the Hammer 250 from FWB. FWB assures me that it is completely compatible and reliable. They offer an A/UX driver for $199.US., on top of the $1799.US for the drive itself. The driver alone is available for $399.US. It's somewhat more money than I wanted to pay, but it is the only supported solution that I know of. Of course, at this point I'm not going to believe it until I see it... >>The fact that A/UX doesn't support non-Apple hard drives (without using >>SilverLining, etc) is inexcusable. > >This isn't true. You can use the A/UX tools diskformat(1M) and dp(1M) to ^^^^^^^^ >set up any drive. As well most drives come preformatted so all you have >to do is partition the drive. That isn't too hard. Finally, there are *many* ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Phooey. It might not be too hard for me, having had four years behind the console as sysadmin of various unix systems, but you can't be seriously suggesting that the first thing a new A/UX user is going to have to do is dive into the dp man page? This topic has been beaten to death in this group (and is currently being beaten once more). It's not a problem for me (I just got Silverlining), and it seems like Apple is working on it for a future realease anyways. I shouldn't have brought it up. >Jeff, Tony Cooper has written a tape driver that is available on the Net. The >driver is A/UX 2.0 compatible and will recognize most tape drives. (see comments above) > >Stay cool dude and check things out a little more before you say A/UX *can't* >do something 'cause I bet it can. Well I admit that I may have gotten a little hot under the collar when writing that article, but I think with good reason (not the least of which is that I keep having nightmares of my disk crashing and losing eight months worth of work... :-( Paul, I don't want to flame you here, but as you can see I did check things out quite extensively. This isn't the first time you've tried to tell me that my problems with A/UX were trivial or non-existant in this newsgroup, and it's kinda frustrating. I happen to pride myself on being fairly thorough in my investigations (as you should know from the long-winded reports I mailed you about getty and flow control) . As someone with "Apple Canada A/UX Specialist" in your .signature, I think you ought to try to be a little more careful about being condescending towards your customers, especially in a public forum like this one. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Jeff Mann Inter/Access Artists' Computer Centre, Toronto [416] 535-8601 | | ...uunet!mnetor!intacc!mann intacc!mann@nexus.yorku.ca mann@intacc.uucp | | The Matrix Artists' Computer Network BBS: [416] 535-7598 2400 8N1 | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-