[net.micro] MARC, CP/M, and other micro-oses

Li@Rutgers@sri-unix (12/04/82)

From: Tony <Li@Rutgers>

After looking over the stuff on Marc, I found that I really liked it.

BUT!

Marc is a hackers os. It looks great for me and for those of you out
there who are 'computer literate', but a real pain for the rest of
the world. Imagine a secretary trying to figure out about personal
bins. Unless she's had UNIX 101 at her local community college, she's
totally blown away. MARC won't be used in many business environments
for the same reasons that UNIX isn't. It isn't TRIVIAL!

CP/M on the other hand has the reverse problem. The secretary loves
it because she can figure it out. Everything is simple and
straightforward, and she isn't trying to exceed the capabilities of
the system.

For you, me and the rest of the hacking community, CP/M is nothing
more than a program loader. There are many things that we'd like to
have that just aren't possible under a vanilla flavored CP/M system.
The os is so simple that we want more capabilities built in.

What is the solution? We need an os that makes business users and
hackers happy. Is there a solution? Not on the horizon. We don't even
have a universal type of os for a mainframe, much less a micro.
So where do we go folks?

Tony [Li @ Rutgers]
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clark.wbst@Parc-Maxc@sri-unix (12/07/82)

It is true that UNIX is non-trivial, but allowing reasonable intellegence and
no background, secretaries can use it.  The Purdue EE departmant has a
"technical typing" department that uses UNIX to edit and format papers, TRs,
etc.  Misc secretaries around the department also use it.  You don't have to
understand how unix works to use it, including the private bin, or string
of paths to search for a program any more than you need to understand
about how all the little registers and stacks work to program your TRS-80
in basic.  All you need to know is to type "e filename" to edit a file, and
"print file" or "proof file" to print it, or whatever the macro (shell file)
is called.  A UNIX type can set up a small number of very simple
commands to allow a blank mind to use the system for any well defined
task.  Question:

	Would you rather explain how to use pip to copy a file, or
	explain the cryptic command:

		cp old-file new-file 

	actually, you COULD rename the cp command "copy" and make
	it easier still.

--Ray