[net.micro] Cromemco anyone...summary

jle (12/10/82)

     Several  weeks ago,  I asked for opinions about Cromemco hardware
and  software in general,  and the Z80/68000 DPU board in  particular.
The response from the net was UNDERwhelming,  to say the least.   This
seems to be due,  in part,  to the fact that once again marketing  has
gotten ahead of engineering,  and,  despite the media blitz,  hardware
and  software deliveries for the 68K system are way behind.   However,
true to my word,  here is a summary of the answers (additional  dialog
would be welcomed):

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     We have an old Cromemco System 3 (S3) here at the office;  it was
bought new,  along with a Terak and several other micros as part of an
attempt to compare microcomputers and see if we could get any real use
out   of  them  in  an  environment  with  large  timesharing  systems
accessable over the ARPANET and large mainframes in-house. (The answer
turned out to be "no", but that's another story...)

     Anyway, we were all much impressed with the physical construction
of  this  Cromemco.  The other machines were all in ordinary  cabinets
(some  in wood);  the Cromemco had a slide-out card  cage,  rack-mount
heavy metal cabinet with a hinged front panel,  8-in disks instead  of
5-in, etc.

     Don't let appearances fool you.

     We  lugged  that  damn  Cromemco back and  forth  from  the  shop
innumerable times.  It's been long ago and I don't recall the details,
but  the disk drives were continually getting out of order,  the  disk
eject  switches  wouldn't work,  and the cards in the fancy card  cage
seemed to continually lose contact.  For a while we kept it about  one
foot above floor level, because when we needed to "boot" it, we really
had  to  BOOT it,  with a solid kick,  to get it  to  initialize.  The
serviceman  at  the local computer shop where we had our S3 worked  on
said  that he had seen all the other local Cromemco S3's that he  know
of in for repair over and over.

     I avoided working on it, so I can't evaluate any of the software,
but I do recall that this machine was an early version, with a Beehive
terminal as the console. When we bought another screen editor package,
the  dealer  and manufacturer knew what we had,  but stuck us  with  a
version of the software that would only work on a later  configuration
which  had  a  different  terminal  as  the  console.  Great  customer
relations...

     Maybe all this is in the past,  and what they make now is  great,
but that is my experience with one Cromemco product.

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     Cromemco  hardware is well made but often "over engineered".   By
that I mean they often use older chips and a lot of wires instead of a
newer  and less expensive chip.   This observation is based on  scanty
evidence  so I guess I should be a little less general.   In general I
would  trust  their  product.   The main problem  with  the  Z80/68000
combination is delivery.  These systems (from any manufacture) seem to
be advertised but unavailable.

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     Cromemco stuff is solid as long as you stay with Cromemco all the
way.   There  are  several incompatabilities when a  mixed  system  is
attempted.   The  Z80/68000  DPU so far appears to be a  very  useable
board - I've had no problems buy haven't used the 68K much yet.  It is
difficult to reconfigure for systems booting at other than C000H.

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