lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (09/14/89)
In <1105@taurus.BITNET>, finkel@TAURUS.BITNET writes: >Anyway, I have a friend who owns an A1000. due to several reasons, he >wants to try and hook an A590 to his A1000. reasons are: > > [ ... ] > >He doesn't mind sticking it backwards, or even doing some mechanical >hacking to make it fit. ( It looks to me that he will have to take it apart >or at least to saw the metal plate under the expansion connector which >extends beyond the expansion connector. ). > >My question is: Will the A590 work with an A1000?? Absolutely! It will be backwards, and you'll have to look at the back end of it. You can either saw off the flange on the bottom metal plate, or (better), cut away some of the plastic on the bottom edge of the expansion connector access hole on the A1000 itself. You'll have to prop it up with something to take the weight of the unit. None of these are a real problem, and it is a wonderful way to expand your A1000. -larry -- The Mac? Oh, that's just like a computer, only slower. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
finkel@TAURUS.BITNET (09/15/89)
Hello everyone,
We just got here the first shipment of A590 disks, which are really nice!
I tested at home ( ser# 1230 ), and I really like it!
Anyway, I have a friend who owns an A1000. due to several reasons, he
wants to try and hook an A590 to his A1000. reasons are:
1. The only A1000 HD available in israel is the Supra 4x4, it costs
almost twice than the A590, and the A590 can be expanded to 2M,
unlike the supra which can be expanded only to 1MB.
2. The supra uses the old 256KBit chips which costs here about twice
than the 1MBit chips for the same amount of memory.
3. the A590 design is much better ( DMA, AutoBoot, etc. ).
4. Actually, I don't think that there are any more Supras for sell AT ALL.
The A1000 hadn't been on sale for 2 years.
He doesn't mind sticking it backwards, or even doing some mechanical
hacking to make it fit. ( It looks to me that he will have to take it apart
or at least to saw the metal plate under the expansion connector which
extends beyond the expansion connector. ).
My question is: Will the A590 work with an A1000??
According to what I know, only 3 lines were changed between the A500
and the A1000 ( could it be IPL0-IPL2? I really don't remember.. ).
I am just afraid that the bus timing is slightly different, and the
A590 will not work.
CBM: an unofficial answer will be greatly appreciated , in EMail
^^
if you prefer. ( dave? george? )
any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!
Udi
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------passaret@brahe.crd.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti) (09/16/89)
| In article <1105@taurus.BITNET> finkel@TAURUS.BITNET writes: | | Anyway, I have a friend who owns an A1000. due to several reasons, he | wants to try and hook an A590 to his A1000. reasons are: | [...] | My question is: Will the A590 work with an A1000?? Yup. Got one upstairs in my office. You have to remove ~1/4" of plastic from the bottom of the slot on the 1000 for the baseplate of the 590 to fit in. Other than that, it's plug and play (and a 1000 with 20MB of disk and 2.5MB of RAM ain't all that bad). Oh, you have to plug it in backwards, and make sure you line it up right, but that's pretty straightforward. - MM -- passaretti@crd.ge.com {whatever}!crdgw1!brahe!passaret
jea@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Joanne Albano) (09/16/89)
Whats an A590? Could we have more information on how to install
it into the A1000? I think I am interested.
Joanne Albano, Center for Visual Science (716) 275-3055
Room 256 Meliora Hall, Univ. of Rochester, Rochester NY 14627
UUCP: {rutgers,allegra,decvax}!rochester!ur-cvsvax!jea
INTERNET: jea@snipe.cvs.rochester.edufinkel@TAURUS.BITNET (09/18/89)
In article <763@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips >In <1105@taurus.BITNET>, finkel@TAURUS.BITNET writes: >>Anyway, I have a friend who owns an A1000. due to several reasons, he >>wants to try and hook an A590 to his A1000. reasons are: >> >> [ ... ] >> >> >>My question is: Will the A590 work with an A1000?? > >Absolutely! > >It will be backwards, and you'll have to look at the back end of it. [ .. ] > >-larry I would like to thanks everyone who answered my question! It seems that the A590 DOES work with the A1000, apart from the mechanical incompatibility. Udi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Udi Finkelstein | Bitnet: finkel@taurus.bitnet or finkel@math.tau.ac.il Tel Aviv University | Internet: finkel%taurus.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu Israel | UUCP: ...!psuvax1!taurus.bitnet!finkel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
beh@caen.engin.umich.edu (Bob Hruska) (09/19/89)
From article <763@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca>, by lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips): > In <1105@taurus.BITNET>, finkel@TAURUS.BITNET writes: >>Anyway, I have a friend who owns an A1000. due to several reasons, he >>wants to try and hook an A590 to his A1000. reasons are: >> >> [ ... ] >> >>He doesn't mind sticking it backwards, or even doing some mechanical >>hacking to make it fit. ( It looks to me that he will have to take it apart >>or at least to saw the metal plate under the expansion connector which >>extends beyond the expansion connector. ). >> >>My question is: Will the A590 work with an A1000?? > > Absolutely! > > It will be backwards, and you'll have to look at the back end of it. > > You can either saw off the flange on the bottom metal plate, or (better), cut > away some of the plastic on the bottom edge of the expansion connector access > hole on the A1000 itself. > Would there be a problem with hacking up something like a gender changer to have the box sit upright at least? Of course it will still be facing the wrong way... -- Bob Hruska University of Michigan Computer Aided Engineering Network (CAEN) INTERNET: beh@caen.engin.umich.edu UUCP: {umix|ucbvax|uunet}!caen.engin.umich.edu!beh
cmcmanis%pepper@Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (09/19/89)
In article <45b7353f.1285f@maize.engin.umich.edu> (Bob Hruska) writes: >Would there be a problem with hacking up something like a gender changer >to have the box sit upright at least? Of course it will still be facing >the wrong way... IT DOES SIT UPRIGHT! Sorry to shout there but a lot of people don't seem to realize that the edge connector *wasn't* "flipped" on the A500 it was just "rotated". Take an A1000 and turn it around so that you are looking at the back of it, now it's edge connector is exactly like the A500 connector. You do *not* have to turn the A1000 over. The only problem with the 590 is fitting the "finger" that connects to the edge connector into the A1000 "hole", and of course the 590 is then upright but backwards. It looks just like it would if you had it on an A500 and were looking at the two of them from the back. Now a gender changer to make it sit forward would be an interesting trick. --Chuck McManis uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: cmcmanis ARPAnet: cmcmanis@sun.com These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. "If I were driving a Macintosh, I'd have to stop before I could turn the wheel."
dbk@teroach.UUCP (Dave Kinzer) (09/19/89)
In article <124888@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> cmcmanis@sun.UUCP (Chuck McManis) writes: > Now a gender changer to >make it sit forward would be an interesting trick. Since the A1000 and A590 both have connectors located on the their right sides, one could set the 590 on top of the 1000 and make a short jumper out of ribbon cable with a twist in it. 86-pin edge connector on one end, 86-pin edge (maybe cut from a prototyping card of any size >= 86pins) on the other. Not too good for RF interference, but could be enclosed in a small box. * * * Imminent use of deathnet predicted. * * * // Dave Kinzer (602)897-3085 asuvax!mcdphx!teroach!dbk Opinions are mine. \X/
lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips) (09/19/89)
In <1989Sep19.143936.22654@uncecs.edu>, utoddl@uncecs.edu (Todd M. Lewis) writes: >Has anybody actually done this? Yes >Does anybody actually have an A590 working with an A1000? Yes >Could someone from Commodore please comment on this? Please!? While they might answer, they might not. It is not a product designed _for_ the A1000. It _does_ work on the A1000. -larry -- The Mac? Oh, that's just like a computer, only slower. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | // Larry Phillips | | \X/ lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca -or- uunet!van-bc!lpami!lphillips | | COMPUSERVE: 76703,4322 -or- 76703.4322@compuserve.com | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
utoddl@uncecs.edu (Todd M. Lewis) (09/19/89)
Has anybody actually done this? Does anybody actually have an A590 working with an A1000? Has Commodore finally made a hard disk system that will work with one of the 3 Commodore computers I own? I knew that it was supposed to work with the A500, but this is the first I've heard about it working with an A1000 as well. Could someone from Commodore please comment on this? Please!? -- Todd
finkel@TAURUS.BITNET (10/05/89)
In article <769@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca> lphillips@lpami.wimsey.bc.ca (Larry Phillips >In <1989Sep19.143936.22654@uncecs.edu>, utoddl@uncecs.edu (Todd M. Lewis) write >>Has anybody actually done this? > Yes >>Does anybody actually have an A590 working with an A1000? > Yes >>Could someone from Commodore please comment on this? Please!? > While they might answer, they might not. It is not a product designed _for_ >the A1000. It _does_ work on the A1000. > >-larry Larry, I just wanted to thank you for your original answer. I was the one who started this subject thread about 3 weeks ago. You were the first to answer, who told me that this combination works.. I asked this because a friend of mine wanted an A590 for his 1000. Today, my friend bought his A590, installed 2MB of RAM ( at $200 for 2MB worth of chips, 16 of them ), stuck the drive in, and turned the machine on. It worked simply great, and autobooted right after kickstart finished loading! We neither had to saw the metal plate, nor cut plastic from the A1000 box. it simply stuck perfectly ( with the back of the drive facing us ofcourse. ). Now we only have to put a mirror behindthe drive, so that we can see the drive's LED ;-) Udi
roys@ouareau.iro.umontreal.ca (Sebastien Roy) (10/15/89)
A friend of mine (iros1!zoom!marc) has just purchased the A590 for his A1000.. The thing works great by itself, but he has also an AX2000 Comspec 2 meg ram board with passthrough and if the drive is plugged in the ax2000 well the system won't go pass loading kickstart, reseting near the workbench prompt and cycling there.. seems to be an incompatibility problem with the auto config stuff between the 2 devices.. Of course, if we jump lines 11 (?) and 12 (CONFIG) of the expansion port (thus not given to the comspec) the drive boots, but with no memory. He has called Comspec tech support and was told that their card is totally transparent and to go yell at cbm for that. Would it simply be that the a590 doesn't like to be second in line? could the problem be corrected somehow, or should he sell his ax2000 and get 2 meg of ram chips to put in the A590? -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Sebastien Roy "The Naplps guy..." | | Projet interface systemes experts-naplps.. Lirt, Universite de Montreal | | Internet: roys@iro.umontreal.CA UUCP: mit-eddie!mcgill-vision!iros1!roys | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+