anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Franklin Anthes) (12/09/89)
I'm thinking of seting up amigas in remote locations, up to several hundred miles away. Now as every on knows, perfect software has not been invented yet:-( Soooo... If the machine gurus, I'd like to have the machine reboot automatically, instead of waiting for somebody to click the left mouse button (especially since there might not even be a mouse connected to the machine!). Is this possible? I don't seem to recall any PD software for this purpose, but hope springs eternal.... -- Frank Anthes-Harper : Bien le bonjour de la France anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr
mks@cbmvax.UUCP (Michael Sinz - CATS) (12/09/89)
In article <1540@geocub.greco-prog.fr> anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Franklin Anthes) writes: > > I'm thinking of seting up amigas in remote locations, up to >several hundred miles away. Now as every on knows, perfect software >has not been invented yet:-( Soooo... If the machine gurus, I'd >like to have the machine reboot automatically, instead of waiting >for somebody to click the left mouse button (especially since there >might not even be a mouse connected to the machine!). > > Is this possible? I don't seem to recall any PD software for >this purpose, but hope springs eternal.... This should be a simple hack. You just need a little bit of code that set-functions the Alert() exec call that is used to display the GURU. This replacement for Alert() would just return with the result in D0 such that the caller thinks the button was pressed. However, "hard" crashes can not be stopped this way as you may need to catch a GURU after the crash and before the boot. This would have to be done by having part of the reset/reboot code reload the setfunction needed for the Alert() call. Should be a fun project... ;^) > >-- > > Frank Anthes-Harper : Bien le bonjour de la France > anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | /// Michael Sinz -- CATS/Amiga Software Engineer | | /// PHONE 215-431-9422 UUCP ( uunet | rutgers ) !cbmvax!mks | | /// | |\\\/// When people are free to do as they please, | | \XX/ they usually imitate each other. | \----------------------------------------------------------------------/
swan@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Joel Swan) (12/10/89)
In article <1540@geocub.greco-prog.fr> anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Franklin Anthes) writes:
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: I'm thinking of seting up amigas in remote locations, up to
:several hundred miles away. Now as every on knows, perfect software
:has not been invented yet:-( Soooo... If the machine gurus, I'd
:like to have the machine reboot automatically, instead of waiting
:for somebody to click the left mouse button (especially since there
:might not even be a mouse connected to the machine!).
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: Is this possible? I don't seem to recall any PD software for
:this purpose, but hope springs eternal....
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: Frank Anthes-Harper : Bien le bonjour de la France
: anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr
The only sure fire mehtod I can think of is by powering down and up the
Amiga's power from a remote location. I imagine the telephone controller
for the X-10 power system would be the best bet. Use the appliance
switcher on the Amiga's outlet. Now you can call from a remote location,
turn off its power, wait, and then turn it back on (making sure you left
the disk in that has the proper startup-sequence :-).
Joelkim@watsup.waterloo.edu (T. Kim Nguyen) (12/10/89)
In article <2352@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US> swan@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Joel Swan) writes: In article <1540@geocub.greco-prog.fr> anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Franklin Anthes) writes: : : I'm thinking of seting up amigas in remote locations, up to :several hundred miles away. [wants to reboot on gurus] The only sure fire mehtod I can think of is by powering down and up the Amiga's power from a remote location. I imagine the telephone controller for the X-10 power system would be the best bet. This isn't all that bad an idea, except I'd like to point out that the BSR X-10 system is also VERY flaky. Our system at home reacts quite a bit to spurious commands (noise? someone else has a controller on the same house setting?), and the switches often croak after a period ranging from days to months. Not too reliable, esp. if you want to avoid having to go to those remote locations. -- T. Kim Nguyen kim@watsup.waterloo.{edu|cdn} kim@watsup.uwaterloo.ca {uunet|utzoo|utai|decvax}watmath!watsup!kim Systems Design Engineering -- University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) (12/11/89)
In article <1540@geocub.greco-prog.fr> anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Franklin Anthes) writes: >Amigas in remote locations. If the machine gurus, I'd >like to have the machine reboot automatically, instead of waiting >for somebody to click the left mouse button. Something else to worry about: Programs that get stuck in an infinite loop. The standard way around this problem is to have a piece of hardware set up as a watchdog timer. If this device does not get an "I'm OK" signal for a certain length of time (such as 30 seconds), it triggers the CPU's RESET pin to cause a reboot. You could have the program send out a pulse once a second on pin 5 of the mouse connector while it is running. (That pin is unused on a two-button mouse.) After so many seconds with no pulse, RESET! -- Joe Smith (408)922-6220 | SMTP: JMS@F74.TYMNET.COM or jms@gemini.tymnet.com BT Tymnet Tech Services | UUCP: ...!{ames,pyramid}!oliveb!tymix!tardis!jms PO Box 49019, MS-D21 | PDP-10 support: My car's license plate is "POPJ P," San Jose, CA 95161-9019 | humorous dislaimer: "My Amiga speaks for me."
swan@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Joel Swan) (12/11/89)
In article <KIM.89Dec10103234@watsup.waterloo.edu> kim@watsup.waterloo.edu (T. Kim Nguyen) writes: :In article <2352@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US> swan@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Joel Swan) :writes: : In article <1540@geocub.greco-prog.fr> anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr : (Franklin Anthes) writes: : : : : I'm thinking of seting up amigas in remote locations, up to : :several hundred miles away. [wants to reboot on gurus] : : The only sure fire mehtod I can think of is by powering down and up the : Amiga's power from a remote location. I imagine the telephone controller : for the X-10 power system would be the best bet. : :This isn't all that bad an idea, except I'd like to point out that the :BSR X-10 system is also VERY flaky. Our system at home reacts quite a You may want to make it more clear that "YOUR" system is flakey (perhaps as you said; someone else near by has a controller on the same house setting). The reason is because I've worked closely with two systems for over a year now. Everything from dimmers, to appliance modules, to radio controlled remote modules (no experience with the telephone hookup though) and have NEVER had a spurious ON or OFF. In no uncertain terms, the X-10 system as a whole is NOT flakey. It is quite stable. The flakiness may be in another controller or dirty AC. There actually be many manufacturers of X-10 modules, I wonder what brand you've had reliability problems with. I would imagine the modules from DAK are cheaper than those from Radio Shack or Sears? I'm not sure if they are made by one company (under contracts) or not. :bit to spurious commands (noise? someone else has a controller on the :same house setting?), and the switches often croak after a period :ranging from days to months. Not too reliable, esp. if you want to :avoid having to go to those remote locations. :-- :T. Kim Nguyen kim@watsup.waterloo.{edu|cdn} : kim@watsup.uwaterloo.ca : {uunet|utzoo|utai|decvax}watmath!watsup!kim :Systems Design Engineering -- University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada Like I said, no problems of any kind in two product-years of testing in my experience. Joel
bryce@cbmvax.UUCP (Bryce Nesbitt) (12/12/89)
In article <1540@geocub.greco-prog.fr> anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Franklin Anthes) writes: >Now as every on knows, perfect software >has not been invented yet:-( Soooo... If the machine gurus, I'd >like to have the machine reboot automatically... A little program called Cancel! is just what you want. It presses Cancel! on any requester that comes up. (For example: Insert disk in DFX:). Cancel! without source code is also on the Software toolkit from Commodore-Amiga. Cancel! with source code should be on a Fish disk. You could easily modify Cancel! for Alerts. However, some crashes will be too severe for any ram-loaded software solution. You could: 1> Create a hardware device that plugs into the mouse port that continually presses the left button. 2> Create a watchdog timer. Unless your software triggers this every N milliseconds, the system will be RESET. For V1.4 Kickstart, "It's in there". A special plug in will disable Alerts. -- |\_/| . ACK!, NAK!, EOT!, SOH! {o O} . Bryce Nesbitt, Commodore-Amiga, Inc. (") BIX: bnesbitt U USENET: bryce@commodore.COM -or- uunet!cbmvax!bryce Lawyers: America's untapped export market.
gilmore@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Neil Gilmore) (12/17/89)
In article <863@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) writes... >In article <1540@geocub.greco-prog.fr> anthes@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Franklin Anthes) writes: (stuff deleted) >You could have the program send out a pulse once a second on pin 5 of the >mouse connector while it is running. (That pin is unused on a two-button >mouse.) After so many seconds with no pulse, RESET! Using multitasking should make it even easier, al the whole machine dies on a guru. A small program can send the signals necessary without needing any attention from the (real) application. >Joe Smith (408)922-6220 | SMTP: JMS@F74.TYMNET.COM or jms@gemini.tymnet.com >BT Tymnet Tech Services | UUCP: ...!{ames,pyramid}!oliveb!tymix!tardis!jms >PO Box 49019, MS-D21 | PDP-10 support: My car's license plate is "POPJ P," >San Jose, CA 95161-9019 | humorous dislaimer: "My Amiga speaks for me." +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kitakaze Tatsu Raito Neil Gilmore internet:gilmore@macc.wisc.edu | | Jararvellir, MACC, UW-Madison bitnet: gilmore@wiscmac3 | | Middle Kingdom Madison, Wi | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+