mkiteam@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (E.Japel) (07/21/90)
Hi, This is my first post, so I hope this is done right. I am planning on purchasing the Trumpcard 500, but found that it comes with either the Seagate type drive or a Quantum drive. The specific numbers are: Seagate ST-138N-30 Meg, ST-157N-1-49 Meg Quantum 40 Meg SCSI Pro Drive I am interested in finding out what the differences are (other than storage size). Thanks
lshaw@walt.cc.utexas.edu (logan shaw) (07/22/90)
In article <1990Jul21.041844.23344@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mkiteam@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (E.Japel) writes: >Hi, This is my first post, so I hope this is done right. > >I am planning on purchasing the Trumpcard 500, but found that it comes with >either the Seagate type drive or a Quantum drive. The specific numbers are: > >Seagate ST-138N-30 Meg, ST-157N-1-49 Meg >Quantum 40 Meg SCSI Pro Drive > >I am interested in finding out what the differences are (other than storage >size). >Thanks Differences between a Quantum and a Seagate: 1) Quantum drives are faster (11ms vs. about 25 at the best) 2) Quantum drives last longer. 3) Quantum drives aren't known for failing to spin up. 4) If you drop a Quantum drive out an 11th story window, it would not be too surprising to see it come out unharmed. 5) If you take very good care of your Seagate, it is likely to fall apart on you anyway. In other words, it has been my experience (and I think alot of other people here will agree with me) that Quantum drives are slick, plush, reliable, and just generally nice, and that Seagates would be workable if they didn't break as much. In short, get the Quantum. ============================================================================ "The machine minded material man Logan Shaw desperately dreams of a brand new sedan. lshaw@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Wlll he expect long lasting gain ======================== from a toy that will race then rust in the rain?" - elim Hall, Things Break
limonce@pilot.njin.net (Tom Limoncelli) (07/22/90)
In article <1990Jul21.041844.23344@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mkiteam@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (E.Japel) writes: > [what's the difference between Quantum and Seagate drives] This sounds like a job for "Top Ten Man"! By day, just a regular guy... but when the needs calls he rips off his shirt to reveal his hidden negligee... ooops ...his hidden SuperMan outfit with a big "10" on his chest. Top Ten Differences Between Seagate & Quantum 10. Seagate thinks that "autopark" is a neat feature... in fact, they might add it to some more of their models next year. 9. Quantum gave a bad shipment to Apple and a lot of Mac geeks couldn't deal. Seagate gives everyone a bad shipment! 8. The famous "Seagate ST251 stiction problem" happens 10 days after the warrentee is over. I've never seen a Quantum die. 7. Seagate admitted they don't know anything about drives that are large and high-speed so they bought Impress. Quantum always made big, fast hard drives. Insiders claim that when they stamp the "Seagate" sticker over the "Impress" label you can hear the drive cry, scream, and it lowers its head in shame. 6. Whenever a Seagate problem is reported on the net, someone reposts a very long article describing exactly why not to buy Seagate drives. Gee, maybe we'll see that posting again. (We just post that weekly?) 5. A Seagate customer is likely to be heard saying, "The 32meg partition limit doesn't both me". A Quantum user is likely to be heard saying, "Hey, remember when 4 MIPS was a fast computer?" 4. Seagate used to be considered a good drive... in the 70's I think. 3. Seagate thinks that SCSI is "new". 2. Quantum drives don't come with a sheet that says, "Warning: Do not operate this drive upside-down." Seagates do. And the number one difference between Quantum and Seagate is: 1. Madonna's ex-art dealer owns a Quantum! (It's true! It's true!) -Tom Top 5 Disclaimers for this post: 5 -- I'm not involved with Seagate except I USED to use their products. 4 -- I'm not involved with Quantum execpt I have used their drives. 3 -- I really do know Madonna's ex-art dealer. 2 -- I wrote this at 3:30am 1 -- This posting was not an excuse to show off my new .signature quote. -- tlimonce@drew.edu Tom Limoncelli +1 201 408 5389 tlimonce@drew.uucp tlimonce@drew.Bitnet My new philosophy on life: limonce@pilot.njin.net "Vogue 'til you puke"
uzun@pnet01.cts.com (Roger Uzun) (07/23/90)
I have owned several seagate and quantum drives. I have had few problems
with seagates, but none with quatums. Quantums perform as advertised, and
performance is quite good, especially for the price. Seagates performance
is below what they claim, and they claim less than quantum, they can be found
for somewhat less $$$. Seagates take a long time to spin up, and are noisy.
I would steer clear of seagate, not because they are pieces of crap, they
are ok, but they do not compare well with quantums, at least not
the "traditional" seagates. The new Imprimis and CDC Wren series that
seagate has aquired will probably perform better than the quantums, but
they cost more. The ST-157N and ST-138N are poor excuses for drives, IMHO.
(I guess if you can get one cheap enough , like a St-138N for $200.00 or
so, it might be worth it)
-Roger
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INET: uzun@pnet01.cts.comnraoaoc@nmt.edu (NRAO Array Operations Center) (07/23/90)
In article <34198@ut-emx.UUCP> lshaw@walt.cc.utexas.edu (logan shaw) writes: >In article <1990Jul21.041844.23344@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> mkiteam@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (E.Japel) writes: [too much left out, sorry] >Differences between a Quantum and a Seagate: [lots of good points favoring Quantum drives left out] > 3) Quantum drives aren't known for failing to spin up. True, if read carefully. But,I have one on a GVP hardcard that has the notorious stiction problem. I am not writing this to criticize either GVP or Quantum. I have had this hardcard for 2 years. I called GVP and they sent me (at no charge) a chip from Quantum to place on the drive to fix the problem. It didn't help. They sent me another one, no help. I called again and GVP said "send the drive back and we will give you one that works, and probably works better than the original one. After 2 years of use!! I don't know how the cost is shared between GVP and Quantum, but I think the net result for support would be very hard to beat. > 4) If you drop a Quantum drive out an 11th story window, it would not be > too surprising to see it come out unharmed. [too good to edit out] Pat Palmer (email: ppalmer@nrao.edu)
cg377170@axl.uucp (Corey Gehman) (07/24/90)
In article <3644@crash.cts.com> uzun@pnet01.cts.com (Roger Uzun) writes: >they cost more. The ST-157N and ST-138N are poor excuses for drives, IMHO. I agree. I bought a ST-157N in Feb. 90 and a few weeks ago it just stopped working after being on for 10 minutes one day. After that, I would turn it on and listen to it and like clockwork, after 30 seconds the speed would fluctuate and after 1 minute it would slow to a stop. I have two questions. First, how long is Seagate's warranty and second, what's their phone number? I'm sure not going to buy a Seagate drive again unless it's almost given to me.
IO91461@MAINE.BITNET (Tom Nezwek) (07/24/90)
Here Here!
I agree, Buy a Quantum... Buying a Seagate is like getting a Lobotomy.
-Tom Nezwek
IO91461@maine.bitnetMartin.Schwab@p25.f17.n246.z2.UUCP (Martin Schwab) (07/25/90)
AREA:COMP.SYS.AMIGA.TECH > Hi, This is my first post, so I hope this is done right. This is my first as well in this group. > I am interested in finding out what the differences are (other than > Seagate ST-138N-30 Meg, ST-157N-1-49 Meg > Quantum 40 Meg SCSI Pro Drive Well, the ST-138N first; There are two versions of this: ST 138 N-0 & ST 138 N-1. They are SCSI and 32 formatted capacity 3 1/2" HDs with 615 cylinders, 4 heads and 26 sct. The 0-Modell has 40ms. The 1-Modell is half height and has 28 ms (somehow faster, isn`t it 8) The ST-157N-1 is also a 3 1/2" SCSI half height HD with 615 cylinders, 6 heads and 26 sct (28 ms). The Quatum 40 Meg SCSI Pro Drives are 19 ms Hds (please correct me if I`m wrong. I have no exact specs here.) There should be the fastest hds for the amiga. There are surely not the noisiest ones. Well, prices round about (in german marks): ST 138 N-0: DM 550.- ST 138 N-1: DM 600.- ST 157 N-1: DM 690.- Sorry no price for the quantum... so long Martin -- UUCP: ...!doitcr!rcafe!17.25!Martin.Schwab Martin Schwab 2:246/17@FidoNet
bluneski@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Bob Luneski) (07/25/90)
>In article <3644@crash.cts.com> uzun@pnet01.cts.com (Roger Uzun) writes: >>they cost more. The ST-157N and ST-138N are poor excuses for drives, IMHO. > I disagree, I have been using a Seagate 157N for nearly a year now with absolutely no problems. I have also had no problems for the 1.5 years my Seagate 296N has been in service. These are very heavily used drives. My only complaint with the 296N is that although the seek rate is high, the transfer rate is rather low. However, the Supra Wordsync interface helps and since it costs over $300 less than the same capacity Quantum, it is an inconveinince I can live with. Bob Luneski bluneski@pogo.WV.TEK.COM
salam@ub.d.umn.edu (Salim Alam) (07/25/90)
All this fuss about Seagate vs Quantam... I have been using a Seagate 157N for about a year, absolutely no problems. I am very happy with it, and considering the price was so low, if I had the opportunity to I would buy Seagate again. So there! [A voice in the darkness..?]