root@spader.UUCP (Admin) (07/22/90)
Hello net! I have a few questions: - Will FatterAgnus give me non-interlaced video with 640x480(412) ? - Is AmigaDos 2.0 released ? - Will my GVP Impact A500 work with AmigaDos 2.0 ? (I haven't had time to read news for a while :-) Please E-Mail answers to: lhc@spader.UUCP --LH
cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) (07/24/90)
In article <428@spader.UUCP> root@spader.UUCP (Admin) writes: > - Will FatterAgnus give me non-interlaced video with 640x480(412) ? No, you need the ECS "Denise" to get the productivity modes. The 1Meg Agnus gives you more chip ram and bigger blits. (Oh and it is required by the new denise) > - Is AmigaDos 2.0 released ? For the 3000, yes. For the other models, No. Commodore says "September for the 2000", no word on when for the 500. > - Will my GVP Impact A500 work with AmigaDos 2.0 ? Probably, but nothing in life is certain. If you have a 500, 2.0 may be a bit far off in the future. -- --Chuck McManis Sun Microsystems uucp: {anywhere}!sun!cmcmanis BIX: <none> Internet: cmcmanis@Eng.Sun.COM These opinions are my own and no one elses, but you knew that didn't you. "I tell you this parrot is bleeding deceased!"
bscott@nyx.UUCP (Ben Scott) (07/29/90)
In article <139323@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: >In article <428@spader.UUCP> root@spader.UUCP (Admin) writes: >> - Is AmigaDos 2.0 released ? >For the 3000, yes. For the other models, No. Commodore says "September for >the 2000", no word on when for the 500. [...] >Probably, but nothing in life is certain. If you have a 500, 2.0 may be >a bit far off in the future. I'm still trying to figure out how they're going to produce different upgrade packages for the 500 and 2000... ASSUMING they will try. I had a discussion about this with someone at Commodore here a while back (I forget who by now) and they said, in the understandable-but-nevertheless -annoying bet-hedging manner that they probably couldn't make machine- specific upgrades. What I think is really the case is that the marketing department just didn't want to talk about 500s, but that September will be the date for the upgrade packages for all Amigas <> 1000... I mean, after all, the 500 and 2000 are going to use the same ROMs, same Denise, same software... and I'd guess the Agnus would be sold separately due to the fact that there are many Amigas which already have it and many which don't. And so far as I have been told, even if they TRIED, there is no reliable way to tell a 500 from a 2000 from software. Comments? Speculation? Hints? Gossip? Recipes? News? Tall tales? Second opinions? Deep dark secrets? Quotes? Pet peeves? Surrender terms? Confessions? Diatribes? Jokes? Greetings? Declarations of Independance? . <<<<Infinite K>>>> -- .---------------------------------------------------------------------------. |Ben Scott, professional goof-off and consultant at The Raster Image, Denver| |Amiga UUCP node domain: bscott@vila.denver.co.us Else: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu| |FIDO point address 1:104/421.2, or call the Arvada 68K BBS at (303)424-9831| |"Don't embarrass us..." "Have I ever?" - Buckaroo Banzai | *AMIGA POWER* | `---------------------------------------------------------------------------'
greg@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) (07/30/90)
In article <1705@nyx.UUCP> bscott@nyx.UUCP (Ben Scott) writes: >In article <139323@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> cmcmanis@stpeter.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) writes: >>In article <428@spader.UUCP> root@spader.UUCP (Admin) writes: >>[...] >>> - Is AmigaDos 2.0 released ? >>Probably, but nothing in life is certain. If you have a 500, 2.0 may be >>a bit far off in the future. > >I'm still trying to figure out how they're going to produce different >upgrade packages for the 500 and 2000... ASSUMING they will try. I had >a discussion about this with someone at Commodore here a while back (I >forget who by now) and they said, in the understandable-but-nevertheless >-annoying bet-hedging manner that they probably couldn't make machine- >specific upgrades. What I think is really the case is that the marketing >department just didn't want to talk about 500s, but that September will >be the date for the upgrade packages for all Amigas <> 1000... I'm sure this is going to start alot of flames, arguments, etc., but I've heard that there _will_ _not_ be and _official_ A500 upgrade. --Now before you choke, Ben (above) is correct that you could use the same kit for the 2000. If CBM doesn't package the ECS Agnus (since it's in most 2000's), you should still be able to get it. Also, I've heard that the CDTV will come with 1.3 and no upgrade program. >. <<<<Infinite K>>>> > >-- >.---------------------------------------------------------------------------. >|Ben Scott, professional goof-off and consultant at The Raster Image, Denver| >|Amiga UUCP node domain: bscott@vila.denver.co.us Else: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu| >|FIDO point address 1:104/421.2, or call the Arvada 68K BBS at (303)424-9831| >|"Don't embarrass us..." "Have I ever?" - Buckaroo Banzai | *AMIGA POWER* | >`---------------------------------------------------------------------------' Anyway, I find no reason that 500 owners won't be able to upgrade to 2.0 and the ECS when 2000 owners do. (Unless CBM puts some nasty hardware detection junk into it.) Anyone at CBM care to acknowledge/deny this? If this is true, then what is CBM's reasoning behind this? With Commodore going mass-market with the A500, doesn't it make sense not to seal its fate with an older OS? There's already one orphanned Amiga, guys. Don't destroy the reputation the Amiga is finally getting as a well-supported machine! DISCLAIMER: This is all based on hearsay, and I am basically looking for confirmation or denial of the above. ..greg... ___ Disclaimer: The opinions expressed above are not my own, but AMIGA! //// the property of some higher-up power, to which I am only a tool. //// "Welcome, my son. Welcome to the machine." -- Pink Floyd ___ //// "Reality is only a simulation, and it's still in beta testing." -- Me \\\\//// \\XX// Greg Harp greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) (07/31/90)
In article <34635@ut-emx.UUCP> greg@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) writes: >I'm sure this is going to start alot of flames, arguments, etc., but I've >heard that there _will_ _not_ be and _official_ A500 upgrade. Commodore has made no such statement that I am aware of personally. >Anyway, I find no reason that 500 owners won't be able to upgrade to 2.0 and >the ECS when 2000 owners do. (Unless CBM puts some nasty hardware detection >junk into it.) The hardware required to upgrade the rom would essentially be the same, with the exception that some A500's have a couple of pins wired wrong, and it would require a pin-swapping socket/daughterboard. ECS inclusion or not is an issue for the marketing guys. >Anyone at CBM care to acknowledge/deny this? If this is true, then what is >CBM's reasoning behind this? With Commodore going mass-market with the A500, >doesn't it make sense not to seal its fate with an older OS? I can't speak on that officially - I'm not part of the US sales company, and even if I was it would be incorrect for me to say. All I will say personally is that the new marketing/sales guys are smart guys, and are unlikely to make any major mistakes, in my personal opinion. My advice would be to calm down, stop playing "my rumor is worse than yours", and wait for the announcement of A2000 upgrades. I suspect A500 upgrade plans will be detailed then. Running around like chickens with their heads cut off doesn't help anyone. Disclaimer: these are, of course, my personal opinions. -- Randell Jesup, Keeper of AmigaDos, Commodore Engineering. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!jesup, jesup@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com BIX: rjesup Common phrase heard at Amiga Devcon '89: "It's in there!"
barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) (07/31/90)
In article <34635@ut-emx.UUCP> greg@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) writes: >I'm sure this is going to start alot of flames, arguments, etc., but I've >heard that there _will_ _not_ be and _official_ A500 upgrade. > >DISCLAIMER: This is all based on hearsay, and I am basically looking for >confirmation or denial of the above. YES, there is going to be an A500 upgrade to 2.0. NO, the release date has not been announced yet by the Marketing people. This has been posted several times by CBM people. NOW COMES THE FLAME. Greg, if all you have is "hearsay", then why the hell are you posting it to the entire world?!?!?!?!? If all you wanted was "confirmation", you should have sent MAIL to someone from CBM. They are posting all the time, and their e-mail addresses are in their postings. Now, thanks to your posting, thousands of people on the Net are going to wonder about the A500 upgrade, rumors are going to start flying, and generally bad press about Awful Commodore Who Doesn't Care About Its Customers is going to start up again. Please THINK before you post potentially harmful hearsay to the Net. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett, Department of Computer Science Johns Hopkins University | | INTERNET: barrett@cs.jhu.edu | | | COMPUSERVE: >internet:barrett@cs.jhu.edu | UUCP: barrett@jhunix.UUCP | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/////////////////////////////////////
perley@galaxy (Donald P Perley) (08/01/90)
In article <1705@nyx.UUCP>, bscott@nyx (Ben Scott) writes: (regarding separate releases of 2.0 for the 2000 and 500) > And so far as I have been told, even if they TRIED, there is >no reliable way to tell a 500 from a 2000 from software. >Comments? Speculation? Hints? Gossip? Recipes? News? Tall tales? This is just speculation, but the big difference between an unexpanded 500 and a 2000 is that the 2000 has a full megabyte of memory, while the 500 doesn't. My guess is that the 2000 release will work on a 1 MB 500, but not (or not too well) on a 1/2 meg one. -don perley perley@trub.crd.ge.com
danny@whitwiz.lonestar.org (Danny White) (08/01/90)
>In article <1705@nyx.UUCP> bscott@nyx.UUCP (Ben Scott) writes: > >specific upgrades. What I think is really the case is that the marketing >department just didn't want to talk about 500s, but that September will >be the date for the upgrade packages for all Amigas <> 1000... > Could it be possible that there are changes (ie. trace cuts etc.) that have to be made to the motherbord of the 500 that are different (or not needed) to the 2000? Might it be that CBM hasn't figured out how to get these changes handled by "authorized dealers" safely? This could be why CBM is taking so long to give out a release date for the 500 upgrade. This is just a guess, but it might be an explanation. >. <<<<Infinite K>>>> -- UUCP: ...!texbell!whitwiz!danny SNAIL:Danny White 1429 Glacier Dr. INTERNET: danny@whitwiz.lonestar.org Plano, TX 75023 ========================================================================== "In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe." -- Carl Sagan, Cosmos
danny@whitwiz.lonestar.org (Danny White) (08/01/90)
>In article <13520@cbmvax.commodore.com> jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes: >yours", and wait for the announcement of A2000 upgrades. I suspect A500 >upgrade plans will be detailed then. Running around like chickens with their >heads cut off doesn't help anyone. > Except for generating some few 2000 sales to the faint hearted! ;^) -- UUCP: ...!texbell!whitwiz!danny SNAIL:Danny White 1429 Glacier Dr. INTERNET: danny@whitwiz.lonestar.org Plano, TX 75023 ========================================================================== "In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe." -- Carl Sagan, Cosmos
rumbo@impch.imp.com (Peter Kunz) (08/10/90)
ok, this mght not be nice, but don't take it personally: wasn't the a2000 made for "professionals" and the a500 for "gamers" ? anyway, expanding an a2000 is much easier and neater, isn't it? nothing against a500 users... btw, how much more expensive is the 2000 than the 500? cu pete