sneakers@heimat.UUCP (Dan "Sneakers" Schein) (12/31/89)
In Message <870@mindlink.UUCP>, a464@mindlink.UUCP (Bruce Dawson) writes: > And, does Commodore care about the hundreds (thousands?) of programmers, >professional and amateur, that are not registered developers? > > Not all programmers read AmigaMail. It should be possible to program the >Amiga without having to be a registered developer. If you implement >MutualExclude in a way contradictory to the way it has been documented for four >years in the includes, don't be surprised if you break a lot of programs, and >be prepared to take some of the blame. Hold on a second...... You do not have to be a commercial/registered developer with CBM to receive AmigaMAIL. So *ALL* Amiga programmers (or those who think they are) should be reading AmigaMail. Its not expensive, only around $20 a year (I think). Don't forget you can buy the includes and autodocs from CBM as "JOE AVERAGE OFF THE STREET" and have the information needed to program the Amiga. Besides I don't see IBM or APPLE giving things away so folks know the correct way to program for their machines. Seems to me many 3rd party folks have made a lot of money selling books on how to program them. Sneakers -- ___ Dan "Sneakers" Schein //// BERKS AMIGA BBS Sneakers Computing //// You've tried the rest, now try 2455 McKinley Ave. ___ //// the BEST! 80 Megs of 100% AMIGA West Lawn, PA 19609 \\\\//// 24 hrs @ 215/678-7691 \\\/// sneakers%heimat@commodore.com (or) uunet!cbmvax!heimat!sneakers
douglee@becker.UUCP (Doug Lee) (01/04/90)
In article <10372.AA10372@heimat> sneakers@heimat.UUCP (Dan "Sneakers" Schein) writes: >In Message <870@mindlink.UUCP>, a464@mindlink.UUCP (Bruce Dawson) writes: > >> And, does Commodore care about the hundreds (thousands?) of programmers, >>professional and amateur, that are not registered developers? >> >> Not all programmers read AmigaMail. It should be possible to program the >>Amiga without having to be a registered developer. If you implement >>MutualExclude in a way contradictory to the way it has been documented for four >>years in the includes, don't be surprised if you break a lot of programs, and >>be prepared to take some of the blame. > > Hold on a second...... You do not have to be a commercial/registered > developer with CBM to receive AmigaMAIL. So *ALL* Amiga programmers > (or those who think they are) should be reading AmigaMail. Its not > expensive, only around $20 a year (I think). > > Don't forget you can buy the includes and autodocs from CBM as "JOE > AVERAGE OFF THE STREET" and have the information needed to program > the Amiga. Why not do something really neat and SELL this stuff along with service manuals. 500/2000 tech ref manual and whatever else comes along through dealers and also bookstores and any other places I haven't thought of which usually sell the RKM's. The only way I found out about stuff like schematics, AmigaMail and even the RKM's (since I got the machine in 85 before they were in stores) was to register as a developer. This is not a bad thing, but is somewhat off the beaten path. It's much easier to buy a machine than it is to unearth information about it. Unfortunately, computers these days seem to be regarded as appliances bought by non-programmers for the purpose of running canned software. I suggest recognizing programmers (weekend or otherwise) as a legitimate market which should be supported by dealers. Even if the small town ones can't afford to carry this stuff, they should have Commodore supplied brochures on things like RKM's and technical manuals. Another thought, the AUtodocs disks should be sold with the accompanying RKM manual. The manuals are widely available in various bookstores around here, but the disks are only available from Commodore. Strange.... > > Besides I don't see IBM or APPLE giving things away so folks know the > correct way to program for their machines. Seems to me many 3rd party > folks have made a lot of money selling books on how to program them. People are doing this with the Amiga too, but the quantity and quality is not as good as I had hoped for by now. There are certainly some gaps such as good tutorial stuff on writing (as opposed to using) device drivers. Documentation is needed for things like Layers, more on AmigaDOS although Rob Peck's excellent book goes a long way. > How about sending AmigaMails to each dealer, which they could then sell. This would be a really good public-relations thing and cost almost nothing. -- Doug Lee douglee@becker 416-461-5357
jjfeiler@coil.caltech.edu (John Jay Feiler) (07/18/90)
johno@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Orr - CATS) writes: >The reason I am posting to the net is to solicit opinions on >AmigaMail. > John Orr - CATS Well, once the CD-ROM drives for the amiga family come out (the ones compatible with the CDTV), Each issue could include a CD-ROM, with code, data, backissues, and lots of fun stuff, just like the Mac developer newsletter does. :-) :-) :-) :-) John Feiler
finnis@WELSWS.enet.dec.com (Peter Finnis) (07/18/90)
>The reason I am posting to the net is to solicit opinions on >AmigaMail. For those of you who don't know what AmigaMail is, it is a >magazine-like technical publication put out by CATS every other month. >Typically, it contains various articles related to programming the >Amiga. Subscriptions are available to anyone. > Can this be obtained by email or just on disk or paper ? ___________________________________________________________________________ | ___ || | | / / || Peter Finnis | | /__/__ _/_ __ || Digital | | / /_/ / /_/ || Shire Park, | | / /_ /__ /_ || The Boulevard, | | || Welwyn Garden City, | | || England. | | || | | || finnis%welsws.dec@decwrl.dec.com | | || | | || Phone: 0707-374174 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
smithwik@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (R. Michael Smithwick -- FSN) (07/20/90)
In article <jjfeiler.648258384@coil> jjfeiler@coil.caltech.edu (John Jay Feiler) writes: <johno@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Orr - CATS) writes: <>The reason I am posting to the net is to solicit opinions on <>AmigaMail. <> John Orr - CATS <Well, once the CD-ROM drives for the amiga family come out (the ones <compatible with the CDTV), Each issue could include a CD-ROM, with code, data, <backissues, and lots of fun stuff, just like the Mac developer newsletter <does. < :-) :-) :-) :-) < John Feiler They will also have to call them with cutsie names. The apple CDs come with names like "Bill and Ted's Exellent CD" or "A CD Called Wanda". :-) But what do you expect from a computer company with a Cow-Dog (or is it Dog-Cow) as a mascot. Moof, moof. :-p mike >> mike smithwick << Any opinions are my own since nobody else would ever want them. "The real world serves only to illustrate mathematics"
userBARD@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Barry Ard) (12/01/90)
All the talk about Amiga Mail leads me to the question..... Is it possible to get it, and possibly back issues, short of becoming a registered developer? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "So long Grizzly dudes", Bart Simpson Barry Ard | uucp: ..!alberta!uqv-mts!userbard University Computing Systems | inet: userbard@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca University of Alberta | bitnet: userbard@ualtamts.bitnet Edmonton, Alberta | bard@ualtavm #! r
johno@cbmvax.commodore.com (John Orr - CATS) (12/04/90)
In article <1978@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA> userBARD@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Barry Ard) writes: >All the talk about Amiga Mail leads me to the question..... >Is it possible to get it, and possibly back issues, short of >becoming a registered developer? Yes. Non-developers can order a subscription to Amiga Mail by sending a check or money order for $45 (U.S.) to: Commodore Business Machines Dept. C 1200 Wilson Drive West Chester, PA 19380 USA For orders shipped to Canada, add $2.50 to th eprice of each item. Add $5.00 per item for orders outside of North America. Allow 4-6 weeks for processing. Amiga Mail Volume One (Jan/Feb '87 - Jul/Aug '90) is available for $75. Tabs and a Binder are available for $5 and $10, respectively. --John