[comp.sys.handhelds] **** SPICE FOR HP28S or 48SX By Grapevine Pub.??? ****

gcw20877@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Wang) (09/13/90)

I recently found out that some sort of SPICE circuit analysis
program exists for the HP28s.. It's a book called Software
Power Tools made by Grapevine Publications and can be brought
from Educalc or Grapevine direct...

My first question is... SPICE for a HP28S with 32K RAM??
Is that possible?? Surely it's not a full version... if not,
how much can it actually do?? Does it handle transitors, transient
analysis, ac analyis, diodes, etc??  Has anyone used this
program and have any comments on it??

Also I heard that it only works for the HP28s unless you're
a conversion wizard at the Hp48sx (which I'm sure there
are here on the net!! Right Mark? :-) )... Anyways, has
anyone been able to port the program over to the 48sx??
Grapevine says that there will be a version/book for the
48sx NEXT YEAR but that's an awfull long time away...

If you have ANY info on that SPICE program I'd like to
hear from you.. Thanks!!
George

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darrylo@hpnmdla.HP.COM (Darryl Okahata) (09/13/90)

In comp.sys.handhelds, gcw20877@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Wang) writes:

> I recently found out that some sort of SPICE circuit analysis
> program exists for the HP28s.. It's a book called Software
> Power Tools made by Grapevine Publications and can be brought
> from Educalc or Grapevine direct...
> 
> My first question is... SPICE for a HP28S with 32K RAM??
> Is that possible?? Surely it's not a full version... if not,
> how much can it actually do?? Does it handle transitors, transient
> analysis, ac analyis, diodes, etc??  Has anyone used this
> program and have any comments on it??

     I have not seen such a program, but, if one existed, I'd like to
make the following comments.

     Writing an AC or DC analysis program for *LINEAR* circuit elements
(caps, inductors, resistors, etc.) is actually quite trivial.  I imagine
that most of the work in writing such a program would be in writing a
user interface (entering circuits, displaying Bode plots, etc.), as the
"simulator" would consist of a simple routine to solve a complex matrix
(and we all know how good the 48SX is at solving matrices :-).  It would
be slow, though.  Some people would probably find the speed acceptable,
however.

     Handling nonlinear circuit elements (transistors, diodes, etc.) in
an AC or DC analysis *may* be possible, but it's not trivial.  It would
probably run very, very slow.

     Handling transient analyses may also be possible (for small
circuits only), but you would need *LOTS* of memory (128K?  256K?), and
it would probably run slower than frozen molasses in January (unless it
was written in assembly language).  You would probably be better off
watching grass grow.

     -- Darryl Okahata
	UUCP: {hplabs!, hpcea!, hpfcla!} hpnmd!darrylo
	Internet: darrylo%hpnmd@hp-sde.sde.hp.com

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