madler@piglet.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) (09/18/90)
I have just uploaded the files chip.zip and pubdom.zip to the directory "new/hp48sx" on gmuvax2.gmu.edu (129.174.1.8) and to the directory "pub" on hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.15). I will post another note if and when I succeed in uploading to funic.funet.fi and/or wuarchive.wustl.edu. The anonymous ftp site calvin.stanford.edu no longer allows access to its HP-48SX archives, apparently because Andrew Zimmer was not pleased with the Equation Library promo (see the file "hp48archive" there for a complete list of reasons). chip.zip and pubdom.zip are from Jake Schwartz and contain many many goodies for the HP-48SX. I haven't had a chance to look through it all yet, so perhaps Jake can post of summary of what's there. Mark Adler madler@piglet.caltech.edu
madler@piglet.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) (09/19/90)
chip.zip and pubdom.zip is now available at funic.funet.fi (also known as nic.funet.fi) in the directory pub/misc/hp48sx. Mark Adler madler@piglet.caltech.edu
pashdown@shotput.es.com@bambam.UUCP (Pete Ashdown) (09/21/90)
madler@piglet.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: >chip.zip and pubdom.zip are from Jake Schwartz and contain many many ^^^ ^^^ >goodies for the HP-48SX. >Mark Adler >madler@piglet.caltech.edu Mark, how about using a slightly more standard archiver next time? My Sun doesn't speak zip yet. If anyone can point me to a UNIX unzipper, I'd appreciate it, but until then, try to use zoo or lharc. As far as I know, these formats are available on most platforms. -- / (Rotate head 90 degrees for full effect) | BUNGEEEEEEEE! |---------------------------------------------------------------------->=<o \ Pete Ashdown pashdown@esunix ...utah-cs!esunix!pashdown
madler@piglet.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) (09/23/90)
pashdown@shotput.es.com@bambam.UUCP (Pete Ashdown) requests: >> Mark, how about using a slightly more standard archiver next time? My Sun >> doesn't speak zip yet. If anyone can point me to a UNIX unzipper, I'd >> appreciate it, but until then, try to use zoo or lharc. As far as I know, >> these formats are available on most platforms. A UNIX unzip is available via anonymous ftp from simtel20.army.mil in the directory pd3:<misc.unix> (yes, you have to type all that after the cd) as UNZIP310.TAR-Z, which you would rename on your Unix system to unzip310.tar.Z. It works on all flavors of Sun's and a vast number of other systems. If you get it to work on a system that is not listed in the makefile, please let me know which system in the makefile you used and what system that works on. Neither zip, zoo, nor lharc are commonly found on Unix systems, which is why I usually post such things in both .zip and .tar.Z formats, but I was a bit lazy this time, and I got it in zip format to begin with. The maintainer at wuarchive.wustl.edu has decided instead of making my upload public (chip.zip and pubdom.zip) to pull apart the files and put the individual programs in appropriate subdirectories. I will also reupload them both in .tar.Z format. And by the way, lharc is horribly slow and not as good zip's implosion. A Unix zip is in the works. Mark Adler madler@piglet.caltech.edu
hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu (HP48SX Archive Maintainer) (09/23/90)
Please use the compress file format whenever possible. I know there is a problem, as this program will only pack one file per archive, but it is the most widely available file compressor. If you need to create a multi-file archive, then please use ZOO, as this program is also available on a very big range of platforms. -- ******************************************************* Povl H. Pedersen hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu HP48sx archive maintainer
madler@piglet.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) (09/23/90)
Povl H. Pedersen, hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu (HP48SX Archive Maintainer) writes: >> Please use the compress file format whenever possible. I know there >> is a problem, as this program will only pack one file per archive, >> but it is the most widely available file compressor. It's not a problem---you just use tar to make one file out of several files and directories and then use compress on that. The standard suffix is .tar.Z. This is the way nearly everything is compressed on ftp sites with Unix software. >> If you need to create a multi-file archive, then please use ZOO, as >> this program is also available on a very big range of platforms. "Available" means you have to find it and get it, whereas tar and compress are already there on Unix systems. There is no compresser/archiver that comes with DOS for PC's, but I just go on the (incorrect) assumption that everyone has Phil Katz's excellent ZIP and UNZIP. Also, unzip is "available" for Unix and soon zip will be too. I have uploaded chip.tar.Z and pubdom.tar.Z to gmuvax2.gmu.edu in new/hp48sx and to hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com in pub. Mark Adler madler@piglet.caltech.edu
silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert) (09/23/90)
In article <1990Sep22.235856.8106@nntp-server.caltech.edu> madler@piglet.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > >Povl H. Pedersen, hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu (HP48SX Archive Maintainer) >writes: > >>> If you need to create a multi-file archive, then please use ZOO, as >>> this program is also available on a very big range of platforms. > >"Available" means you have to find it and get it, whereas tar and compress >are already there on Unix systems. There is no compresser/archiver that >comes with DOS for PC's, but I just go on the (incorrect) assumption that >everyone has Phil Katz's excellent ZIP and UNZIP. Also, unzip is "available" >for Unix and soon zip will be too. A couple of comments on this. For one, there is a program called booz which is very portable and which extracts zoo archives. It is a small package in C and easier to compile than the full zoo package. It lists and extracts zoo archives, but does not create or modify them. There are several compress programs for MS-DOS. The MKS compress only supports 14 bits, but I have a couple of 16 bit compresses that work fine. There is also a very small zcat extractor, but I haven't tried it since compress works (but I have source). If anyone needs source for booz or zcat, or the DOS compress.exe program, send mail to bill@biomel.uucp. -- William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2. Tel. (902)426-1577 UUCP=..!{uunet|watmath}!dalcs!biomel!bill BITNET=bill%biomel%dalcs@dalac InterNet=bill%biomel@cs.dal.ca
horlache@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Ullrich Horlacher) (09/24/90)
madler@piglet.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: >"Available" means you have to find it and get it, whereas tar and compress >are already there on Unix systems. There is no compresser/archiver that >comes with DOS for PC's, but I just go on the (incorrect) assumption that >everyone has Phil Katz's excellent ZIP and UNZIP. Also, unzip is "available" >for Unix and soon zip will be too. And what about people with other operating systems?? We (university of ulm) don't have access to UNIX, all our computers are VAX/VMS. There are other computer centres with the same problem: NOS/VE VM/CMS etc.. #------------------------------------------------------------------------------# this mail came from Framstag! | framstag@rz.uni-ulm.de (sometimes known as Ulli Horlacher) | orakel@rz.uni-ulm.dbp.de University of Ulm/Danube, Germany | orakel@dulruu51.bitnet "Waiting for the prompt" -Marillion | framstag@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de #------------------------------------------------------------------------------#
hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu (HP48SX Archive Maintainer) (09/24/90)
In article <1990Sep23.194329.23673@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> horlache@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Ullrich Horlacher) writes: >And what about people with other operating systems?? We (university of ulm) >don't have access to UNIX, all our computers are VAX/VMS. There are other >computer centres with the same problem: NOS/VE VM/CMS etc.. I also often uses a VAX/VMS machine, but we have recently got a lot of UNIX utilities available, including tar and compress. They were ported shortly after we got the GNU C compiler. But if you ever has to download software to your HP48sx, then you need access to a serial port and kermit. Kermit will almost surely need a C-compiler to transfered to the machine you are using, and thus it is also possible to port UNIX utilities. Another aspect is the serial port, how many users can access the serial port on the university mainframe ? When we consider which compression routine to use, we must think of the users which will get the stuff in the last end. And they will use PC, Macintosh or Amiga for the largest part. I guess that more than 80% percent uses one of these machines for downloading to their HP48sx. -- ******************************************************* Povl H. Pedersen hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu HP48sx archive maintainer
madler@pooh.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) (09/24/90)
horlache@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Ullrich Horlacher) wonders: >> And what about people with other operating systems?? We (university of ulm) >> don't have access to UNIX, all our computers are VAX/VMS. There are other >> computer centres with the same problem: NOS/VE VM/CMS etc.. There are unzip's available for VAX/VMS and IBM VM/CMS. As for those who have NOS/VE (whatever that is), they have my sincerest sympathies. As far as pubdom.zip and chip.zip are concerned, the fellow at wuarchive.wustl.edu is breaking them down and putting the files in appropriate directories as just files---not compressed, tared, zipped, arced, lharced, zooed, encrypted, or any other mathematical operation besides the identity transformation. Mark Adler madler@piglet.caltech.edu
nelson@ (Matt Nelson) (09/24/90)
In article <1990Sep23.220759.8137@wuarchive.wustl.edu> hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu (HP48SX Archive Maintainer) writes: >In article <1990Sep23.194329.23673@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> horlache@sun1.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Ullrich Horlacher) writes: (stuff deleted) >But if you ever has to download software to your HP48sx, then you >need access to a serial port and kermit. Kermit will almost surely >need a C-compiler to transfered to the machine you are using, and >thus it is also possible to port UNIX utilities. Another aspect is >the serial port, how many users can access the serial port on the >university mainframe ? if you got vms, then you got kermit (but ya gotta use space parity :), and if you got a terminal then you have access to a serial port. just get into kermit on the vax, issue a send (receive) command, then unplug the terminal line, plug it into the 48 and issue the receive (send) command. it works like a charm, especially if you have an a/b switch hooked up. i do it all the time. >******************************************************* >Povl H. Pedersen hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu >HP48sx archive maintainer -matt nelson (nelson@psroot.ps.uci.edu)
honp9@jetson.uh.edu (Jason L. Tibbitts III) (09/25/90)
In article <1990Sep22.235856.8106@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, madler@piglet.caltech.edu (Mark Adler) writes: > Povl H. Pedersen, hp48sx@wuarchive.wustl.edu (HP48SX Archive Maintainer) > writes: > >>> Please use the compress file format whenever possible. I know there >>> is a problem, as this program will only pack one file per archive, >>> but it is the most widely available file compressor. > > It's not a problem---you just use tar to make one file out of several files > and directories and then use compress on that. The standard suffix is > ..tar.Z. This is the way nearly everything is compressed on ftp sites with > Unix software. > >>> If you need to create a multi-file archive, then please use ZOO, as >>> this program is also available on a very big range of platforms. [Deleted] > I have uploaded chip.tar.Z and pubdom.tar.Z to gmuvax2.gmu.edu in new/hp48sx > and to hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com in pub. Wonderful. So now a user of a filesystem that doesn't like multiple periods in filenames (like VMS and MSDOS) will have problems. ZOO gives reasonable compression and is pretty much universally available. You don't have to go thruogh multiple steps to get the files extracted. And besides, Tar and Compress aren't very prevalent on personal computers, where most of the HP48 hookups are anyway. > Mark Adler > madler@piglet.caltech.edu -- \/ Jason L. Tibbitts III // | THEnet: {George|Jane|Elroy|Judy}::HONP9 /\/"Blob Shop Programmers: // | SesquiNet, Telnet, etc: HONP9@JETSON.uh.edu \/ Because We're Bored!" \X/ | CREN (BitNet): HONP9@UHVAX1 "Ewige /\ . DISCLAIMER ." Whose opinions did you think there were?" ; Blumenkraft"