JMEYERS@MTUS5.BITNET (04/30/91)
I vaguely remember someone posting some highly recomended reading material concerning machine level programing on the HP-48. Could someone, preferable the orginal poster or a copy of the original post, please give me a second copy of that information. At the time I wasn't interested in machine level programming; however, I have recently decided to explore the internals of my HP-48SX. Any advise on good sources of information would be great. I am most definitely a beginner. The only assembly language experience that I have had was last term in my one of my EE classes involving the Motorola MC6809. Thanks in advance. Jason P. Meyers JMEYERS@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu
ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin) (04/30/91)
>I vaguely remember someone posting some highly recomended reading material >concerning machine level programing on the HP-48. Could someone, preferable >the orginal poster or a copy of the original post, please give me a second >copy of that information. At the time I wasn't interested in machine level >programming; however, I have recently decided to explore the internals of >my HP-48SX. Any advise on good sources of information would be great. I am >most definitely a beginner. The only assembly language experience that I >have had was last term in my one of my EE classes involving the Motorola >MC6809. Thanks in advance. > >Jason P. Meyers >JMEYERS@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu > Ah yes, the good old 6809. Actually I grew up on the 6800 family of processesors, and I understand that the 6809 is considerably more advanced than the 6800's I used back at U-Maine. Anyway, I believe that I am the original poster to which you refer. Here is a copy of the information you requested. Enjoy! >>>Joe Ervin *********************************************************************** To all who are interested about doing machine language programming on the HP48SX, and who have been frustrated at trying to find information on how to do so: To my knowledge there is no official documentation or books which describe how to do ML programming on the HP48SX. Here are some sources of information that have served me well. First, check out Alonzo Gariepy's notes on the Saturn processor, which is the processor HP used in the 28 and also in the 48SX. This will give you a decent introduction to the instruction set and the basic architecture of the processor. Then, you should read Alonzo Gariepy's notes on doing ML programming on the HP48SX. These notes provide some useful information, and give some decent examples of how to do things. Next, I recommend you take a look at the internals description by Derek Nickel. This gives a decent explanation of the different data types used in the 48SX, and how they are each represented. Of all the internals lists that have been posted I believe that his has the best descriptions of the various object types, their prologs and how they are stored. Next, I recommend that you get the list of internal addresses that Jake Schwartz posted to the net. This gives a good description of all (?) the known internal addresses and what they do. Finally, I suggest you get the Star assembler. After reading the README file and the STAR.REF files which come as part of the Star assemlber, you should have a pretty decent feel for how to program the 48SX. STAR was written by Jan Brittenson, and he has put in a good effort to make it fairly transportable. I was able to compile and run it on a VAX/VMS system without requiring much effort on my part. For some more involved examples of machine language code, check out the sources for CHIP-48. This also gives some good hints on how to access the keyboard and display. Lastly, let me make one more suggestion. READ THE DOCUMENTS I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE, in the order I have specified them. Alonzo's notes will give you a decent foundation regarding the architecture of the SATURN processor and the instruction set. Derek's notes will give you a good foundation in the object types and how the 48SX stores information internally. After reading these documents, I have been able to undertake non-trivial ML projects. Another tool which you will find very valuable is Derek Nickel's Voyager program. Voyager is a tool for examining the code in the HP48's ROM. It's a great way to find those ML routines that the people at HP wrote to do all those wonderful things like reading the keyboard, playing with the display, and reading the hardware timer. I hope that helps. >>>Joe P.S. All of the documents mentioned above are available on Wayne's mail server; a service that I highly recommend.
ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin) (04/30/91)
For those interested in the ML documents I mentioned in my previous post, here
is the information on how to access Wayne's mail server.
>>>Joe
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Article 7149
From: wscott@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Wayne H Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds
Subject: Wayne's Mailserver has moved.
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This is a notice to everyone that my mail server has now moved
to a new location.
The address is now: hp-mail-server@seq.uncwil.edu
No special subject is now needed!
Many thanks to Chris Spell for providing computer time and space for this
service and for offering to keep it running this summer when I am away
from school.
Stay tuned for the FTP address. :)
The revised help file follows:
How to reach Wayne's Mail Server
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To request files for your HP-48 or HP-28 you can send command my mail
to my mail server.
Mail commands to: hp-mail-server@seq.uncwil.edu
Subject is ignored.
The server will mail responses to the Reply-To: header on your mail. If
not found, the From: field will be used. If you want to overide this path
put this command in the message:
path <your address>
To get help:
send HELP
The HP-48 files are used by default. To reach the HP-28 files include:
HP28
To get an index of files:
send INDEX
If you don't get a response within a day or so, your email address is
probably bad. Include a path command with an address like one of the following:
path login@machine.place.edu
path login@PLACE.Bitnet
path place!machine!login
Files are send in a uuencoded (atob on request) format and the programs are
usually compressed. (if they end in .Z) PC users should request PC.starter
and u16.exe to extract files on a PC.
If you have any other problems send me mail. (Same address, different
subject) I hope you enjoy the server.
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Purdue University | UUCP: {purdue, pur-ee}!ecn.purdue.edu!wscotthoford@sequoia.circ.upenn.edu (John Hoford) (05/01/91)
In article <4621@ryn.mro4.dec.com> ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin) writes: > >>I vaguely remember someone posting some highly recomended reading material >>concerning machine level programing on the HP-48. Could someone, preferable >>the orginal poster or a copy of the original post, please give me a second >>copy of that information. >> .... > >To all who are interested about doing machine language programming on the >HP48SX, and who have been frustrated at trying to find information on how >to do so: > .... I will also recommend using MLDL written by Jan Brittenson. It provides a good way of looking at the running of your code and with some simple user code you can use his functions to dissemble internals. To see this progam work is amazing. I dont now how he did it. I don't have access to a PC or workstation when I have time to program the hp. MLDL allows me to study the internals and write simple programs with out having a computer next to it. John D. Hoford hoford@gynko.circ.upenn.edu
anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) (05/01/91)
In article <4621@ryn.mro4.dec.com> ervin@pinbot.enet.dec.com (Joseph James Ervin) writes: >Ah yes, the good old 6809. Actually I grew up on the 6800 family of >processesors, and I understand that the 6809 is considerably more advanced than >the 6800's I used back at U-Maine. You might like to know that the Psion Organiser series of handhelds uses the Hitachi 6303X processor which is compatible with the Motorola 6800. At some point I hope to do some assembly/machine coding on my Psion Organiser. The 6809 has several extra features such as hardware multiply and other goodies. It's quite powerful, perhaps one of the most powerful 8 bit processors of the time. A sophisticated real time operating system call OS/9 was developed for the processor and is still in use. Check out comp.os.os9. -- <-:(= Anthony Stieber anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony Psion Mailing List subscriber submissions psion ----------\ the (human) moderator psion-owner -------+--@csd4.csd.uwm.edu subscriptions and file requests psion-request ----/