[comp.sys.handhelds] Keyboards

anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) (05/13/91)

In article <6747@husc6.harvard.edu> conrad@popvax.uucp (M20400@c.nobili) writes:
>either!  Dvorak keyboards are much superior (IMnvHO)!  Many of you people spend

Once, I set up a Dvorak keyboard on my machine.  Although I didn't seem
to type any faster (not surprising since I was just learning) , I
almost immediatly felt how much more comfortable it was to type.
Although I only used it over a couple days, I feel that the Dvorak
layout is much better than qwerty.  Unfortunatly, I have to use far too
many different machines in the course of a day to be able to have
dvorak setup on all of them.  Trying to use qwerty and to learn Dvorak
at the same time would be horrifying.

>The real solution for very small (handheld) computers would seem to me to be
>chording keyboards.  I think I remember having heard something about a (Brit?)
>(no offense meant -- I was near the end of the line) handheld with one?  Does
>anyone know if this is true or just a figment of my fevered mind?  Are there
>any standards for chording keyboards?  Anyone know why the manufacturers have
>basically ignored this idea?  (OK, so the answer to that last one is probably
>the same as the answer to the question about why so many of you use QWERTY....)

It's real.  The company is Microwriter Ltd, they call their chord
keyboard system "microwriting".  It has six keys, and can generate the
entire ASCII character set.  The chords are set up to be mnemonic,
letters that are use more often, have a single key.

Their current machine is called the AgendA.  I haven't actually seen
this machine, but I have seen the original Microwriter and have the
manual for one.  This looks like a good time to repost the review  and
list of chord commands I have.

As far as I know, this is the only commercial product to ever use a full
chording keyboard.  Whoops, that's not true.  The US Post Office uses
chord keyboards for high speed sorting of mail.  I don't know what company
actually produces the equipment however.  Anyone know?

The only other work on chord keyboards was done by Douglas Englebart
(the inventor of the mouse) as part of the NLS and by IBM in a seperate
project.  The way you're supposed to use a mouse is to have a three
button mouse in one hand, and a five key chordboard in the other.  The
five keys selected the alphabetic portion of the ASCII character set,
the three mouse buttons were for shifting to the other parts.  This
eliminates the problem of having to take your hands off the keyboard to
move the mouse around The system did support a full stroke qwerty
keyboard but it wasn't neccesary to actually use the system.

The IBM project was a bit different, it used more than one key per
finger.  I've got a report on it I can dig out if anyone wants.

>Personally, I am waiting for cortical jacks at the base of the
skull....  ;-)

How about a thin ethernet port in the forehead? :-)  Actually, I would
want to minimize the amount of non-wetware in my skull.  Perhaps a
small non-metalic inducting coil under the skin?

>P.S.:     ' , . P Y F G C R L / =
>           A O E U I D H T N S -       <---  Read my home row and weep!
>            ; Q J K X B M W V Z
>
>guess you should also be able to make a new termcap for UNIX (I always log in

I don't think it can be done through termcap, but the entire tty driver
could be replaced, which is a lot of work.  The other way to do it, is
to use a pseudo-tty.  A program like script, window, or screen under
BSD unix could do this.

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jims@momenta.com (Jim Straus) (05/14/91)

anthony@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:

>As far as I know, [the AgendA] is the only commercial product to ever use a full
>chording keyboard.  Whoops, that's not true.  The US Post Office uses
>chord keyboards for high speed sorting of mail.  I don't know what company
>actually produces the equipment however.  Anyone know?

I have just gotten some information on another chording keyboard company.
It is called The Bat and is produced by a company called Infogrip Inc in
Baton Rouge, LA.  They sell two chording keyboards together (both allow for
generating all the keys of a standard keyboard), so that one hand can be
setting up while the second finishing a chord.

The literature I have describes a serial version, but conversation with the
president of the company elicited that they are building versions for hooking
in as replacement keyboards for IBM compatibles and an ADB version for Macs.

tonl@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Ton 't Lam CRC) (05/21/91)

Subject: Velotype keyboard

Talking about keyboards.  I saw some years ago a very innovating
keyboard called the 'velotype'.  The trick was that syllables are
type in one stroke.  The layout of the keyboard is that the
vowels are in the center of the keyboard and the consonants on
the left and right side.  Now typing a words like 'new'.  You
press simultaneously the letters 'n', 'e' and 'w', and voila
ready.  The word 'thing' goes in the same way.  Press 't', 'h',
'i', 'n' and 'g'.  The trick is that the micro processor checks
the syntax.  There will be no word starting with 'ht' so it must
be 'th'.  'gn' is possible (i.e.  sign), so you have to type 'ng'
in the normal way.  The net result is you can type at speaking
speed.  I remember this 'velotype' will do fine in Dutch,
English, German and French.  For some reason this neat keyboard
was not recognized by the computer compagnies.

Ton 't Lam.

bson@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Jan Brittenson) (05/22/91)

In a posting of [21 May 91 08:01:56 GMT]
   tonl@hpuamsa.neth.hp.com (Ton 't Lam CRC) writes:

 > I saw some years ago a very innovating keyboard called the 'velotype'.
 > The trick was that syllables are type in one stroke.

   After reading this far, I got the impression you were talking about
stenography. No?

 > The trick is that the micro processor checks the syntax.  There will
 > be no word starting with 'ht' so it must be 'th'. ... For some reason
 > this neat keyboard was not recognized by the computer compagnies.

I wonder why...

/* ht.c */
typedef struct _ht_
{
  struct _ht_ *l_ht, *r_ht;
  HT_ID *ht_id;
}
HT;

ht_print(ht)
  HT *ht;
{
  printf("{%lx, %lx}", ht->l_ht, ht->r_ht);
}

;-)

						-- Jan Brittenson
						   bson@ai.mit.edu