[net.micro] More keyboard bogosity On the subject of cursor keys, mice & men:

valley@stolaf.UUCP (06/30/83)

	Why not a FOOT- or KNEE-controlled pointer? You will still
be able to keep your hands at the 'home' position, yet move very quickly
as needed. Might be good exercise, too! 

	More useful than foot-control would be an eye/optical pointer. Not
one that analyzes where you are looking, but one that works on the same
principles as light pens: an optical device that detects the scan line that you
are looking at , by reflection/refraction from the cornea. Bomber pilots 
ar rumored to have this type of aiming device now. Can it be filtered
down economically? (Ans: Of COURSE it can!)

	P.S.
		I'm sick of "REAL" & "ENGLISH" on a MICRO net. 
Tim Valley
WCAL
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
References: <2537@sri-arpa.UUCP>

	On cursor keys, mice & men:

	How about a FOOT- or KNEE- controlled pointer? I envision something
like a plate that rocks in four directions; the harder you push down on
the side corresponding to the direction you want to go, the faster it
would move (the cursor). Might also be good exercise for the chair-weary.

	I hope that very soon the technology that now allows bomber pilots
to aim at targets by just looking at them will filter down to the mass
consumer level. Mightn't this be based on the same principles as ligt pens,
detecting position by detecting the crt scan lines? Perhaps a very low-
power laser can scan our cornea, much as our groceries are scanned at the
check-out counter, to triangulate the screen position that we are gazing
at.

P.S.
	I'm tired of REAL and ENGLISH on a MICRO net. Go somewhere else and
play.

T. Valley
WCAL Radio
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN

newman@utcsrgv.UUCP (Ken Newman) (07/01/83)

Aw c'mon is that bomber pilot aim-where-you-look stuff for real? I thought
that was only in movies like Firefox and Blue Thunder. I sure wouldn't
want to try and hit something like that - have you seen the experiments
on rapid eye movements?

leichter@yale-com.UUCP (07/02/83)

Yes, the eye-tracking stuff is real, although I don't think it's all that widely
used.  The hardware involved is an infra-red laser and detector set mounted on
the frame of a set of glasses or goggles; an infra-red beam is bounced off the
eyeball.  Here my knowledge of the details fades out; presumably, the beams
aimed at the pupil aren't bounced back nearly as strongly as those aimed else-
where.  THe technology involved is well-understood and often used in psych
labs.

Yes, of course, eye movements are a problem.  Eye-tracking motion is nothing
like linear - it is done is continuous bursts of motion (called saccades [sp?]).
At the very least, the system has to ignore eye position DURING saccades.
What is actually done is to require the user to stare intently at the target
for a substantial amount of time - substantial being with respect to the amount
of time the gaze normally stays in one spot, which isn't very long.  Just to
be sure, some auxilliary input would presumably be used to actually trigger
the action involved - so you don't have pilots inadvertently shooting all
their rockets at the moonrise.

There is a great tale about such a system that was put into fighters for a
while.  It triggered the emergency escape system; there was a big red cross
pointed down on the floor beside the pilot - where he would not normally
look.  If you gazed at the cross for "a while", bingo, off into the wild blue
yonder in your ejection seat.  Now think about the situation:  You are going
to spend HOURS in the cockpit, and off there are your left is this big red
cross that you MUST NOT LOOK AT....  Sure enough, no one could resist.  The
system was abandoned - a nice object lesson in the importance at considering
the human being in your "technologically leading-edge" system.
							-- Jerry
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