jimc@iscuva.ISCS.COM (Jim Cathey) (04/01/88)
In article <104700019@uiucdcsp> gillies@uiucdcsp.cs.uiuc.edu writes: > >I don't think it was a stupid question. I know how terribly hard it >is to find a 68020 manual. I cannot find one in this town, which has >the U of I, and an engineering college of 8,000, and some small >computer R & D companies. I even had trouble finding a copy when I >recently went to Sunnyvale California!! > >Motorola is very poor at documenting their chips. Motorola documents them well, so far as I have seen. Of course you have to _get_ their documentation. We have no trouble finding these manuals. Moto brought us a whole box of 68020, 68030, 68851, and 68881 books. We _design_ hardware using these parts, so maybe that makes them a little more eager to give us goodies??? It's usually the sales reps that have the stuff to give out, so you should look/flame there first. +----------------+ ! II CCCCCC ! Jim Cathey ! II SSSSCC ! ISC Systems Corp. ! II CC ! TAF-C8; Spokane, WA 99220 ! IISSSS CC ! UUCP: uunet!iscuva!jimc ! II CCCCCC ! (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ "With excitement like this, who is needing enemas?"
woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) (04/02/88)
In article <1294@iscuva.ISCS.COM> jimc@iscuva.ISCS.COM (Jim Cathey) writes: >In article <104700019@uiucdcsp> gillies@uiucdcsp.cs.uiuc.edu writes: >>Motorola is very poor at documenting their chips. >Motorola documents them well, so far as I have seen. Of course you have >to _get_ their documentation. We have no trouble finding these manuals. Did you _call_ Motorola themselves? One day about a year ago, I wanted to get my hands on the 68020 and the 68881 manuals. So after calling all the bookstores in town, I called Motorola. (Got their number from OpAmp Technical Books here in LA.) When I called, I remember the conversation being something like: me: "I'd like to get my hands on any programming manuals for the 68020 and the 68881 processor chips." them: "No problem. I need your name and address." me: Giving them my name and my (at that time) Caltech mailing address. them: "Thank you. You should get it in a few weeks." --click-- me: "Don't you wan't any of the usual payment information???" (The phone is dead at this point.) And a few weeks later, I recieved the "MC68020 32-Bit Microprocessor User's Manual", the "MC68881 Floating-Point Coprocessor User's Manual", the "MC68851 Paged Memory Management Unit User's Manual" (which I didn't ask for but certainly appreciated) -- all for free, along with about a half-inch of promotional material for the MC68020. (You know, the flyers which usually appear in magazines promoting how nifty their stuff is.) Some days I just get lucky. But it _does_ pay to call around... ;-) (And no, it wasn't a billing problem; the invoice was marked _paid in full_, with payment due being $0.00.) Maybe they thought I was a student (a correct assumption) or a researcher? - William Edward Woody woody@tybalt.caltech.edu (Mac>][n&&/|\)&&(MacII>AT) Disclamer: I haven't the foggiest idea what I'm talking about...