[comp.sys.mac.programmer] MPW

phcalamai@water.waterloo.edu (Paul H. Calamai) (06/27/88)

Some time ago there was a posting that highly recommended a
book for learning MPW.  Could someone please repost or
send me email with the details so that I can order this
book.

Thanks.

David_Alan_Newman@cup.portal.com (06/29/88)

The book on MPW is:

Macintosh Programmer's Workshop

by Joel West
Hayden Books is the publisher

drc@dbase.UUCP (Dennis Cohen) (07/01/88)

In article <6945@cup.portal.com>, David_Alan_Newman@cup.portal.com writes:
> The book on MPW is:
> 
> Macintosh Programmer's Workshop
> 
> by Joel West
> Hayden Books is the publisher
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The book is titled "Programming with Macintosh Programmer's Workshop" and the
publisher is Bantam Computer Books.  The ISBN is 0-553-34436-6.  You did,
however, get the author's name right.

Dennis Cohen
Claris
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tomc@mntgfx.mentor.com (Tom Carstensen) (08/10/88)

In article <620@mailrus.cc.umich.edu>, shane@chianti.cc.umich.edu (Shane Looker) writes:
> 
> I didn't intend this to be a real flame, but my experience with MPW makes me
> think that it is a dog.  The code generated is nice, but the compilers are
> slow, the linkers are slow, and you need a meg to run under MultiFinder.
> The source code debugger will take probably at least 3Meg (from rumors only,
> this isn't gospel).  Right now the minimum MPW installation probably takes
> 3 Megs for the shell and tools and C compiler.  It isn't going to get any
> smaller.
> 
I agree.  I have both MPW and Aztec C compiler systems, both contain a C
compiler, assembler (Aztec has inline assembly) a linker, many tools
(although MPW has more) etc.

Aztec also has a source level debugger.

The result:   MPW uses up about 3.5 MEGS
              AZTEC uses about  1.5 MEGS
              
              MPW is 50% slower compiling
                   (that is 8 min to 12 min compile and link time)
              
              MPW DOES produce smaller code
                   (in one case  100K to 108K)
                   
MPW, put simply, is HUGE.  Everything is big.  Aztec on the other hand
is DRAMTICALLY SMALLER.  The source debugger only about 130K !
One main problem is each Tool has SO MUCH OVERHEAD.  A simple tools is
at least around 10K.  The tools shipped with MPW 2.0.2 total over
1 MEG in itself.

Oh well - I still like MPW over Aztec, it's just a good thing I have
a 102 MEG hard disk.

DISCLAIMER: I am in no way associated with Manx or APDA.
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