Little.Fleas%hi-multics@sri-unix.UUCP (07/25/83)
From: Gary Little <Little.Fleas@hi-multics> {Ref. transaction 003} To borrow a phrase from a certain Chinese scholar: "The sweetness of a cheap price is offset by the bitterness of poor quality". In essence, you get what you pay for. I have seen a few reveiws that do not applaud JRT, but they do at least say you could do worse, and practically every magazine that I have seen during the last 9 months has letters complaining about JRT's tardiness in delivery. In JRT's defence, they are probably swamped with orders; however, before depositing the $29.95 ($39.95??) it would be gentlemanly of them to send a warning of delay (and to publish said delay in their advertisements). As to the question: "Is any software worth this delay?" Well, if it does the job of the $400 to $40,000 packages, then I would say it probably was (which makes you wonder about the worth of the high priced spread). If it only does a $40 job, then I would say it was still worth it -- after all, it does meet the specification of $39.95 (+ .05). But to wonder if it is "worth it" because one does not haves his new toy to play with in his hot little hands, is a little sanctimonious [Poor choice of words?? Any way it sounds nice.]. Especially if said complainer has been involved with the delivery of software systems him/her/it/self. Maybe the situation is improving (although I doubt it), but a very large percentage of deliverable software costing in excess of $1,000 and more get slipped from 1 to 6 to more months before WE deliver the product. Is the $40 JRT compiler worth the delay? I don't know. Is our super spiffy light speed F-98 simulation trainer (or STS Columbia flight control system) worth the 13 month delay? I certainly hope so. Gary
andrew@orca.UUCP (Andrew Klossner) (07/27/83)
Gary Little draws a parallel between JRT Pascal slipping on deliveries of their $40 compiler and big companies (such as defense contractors) slipping several months on their deliverables. Defense contractors get paid *after* they produce. (Just try getting the federal government to pay in advance on an order! I have, and they don't.) JRT requires payment in advance, cashes the check, then sits on the money for several months. This is in violation of laws designed explicitly to protect the mail order buyer. If a merchant does not ship your product within thirty days of accepting your payment (i.e., cashing your check or debiting your credit card), you can and should contact the postmaster at the merchant's post office and complain that you are the victim of mail fraud. An investigation will ensue. (Write to Postmaster / City, State ZIPCODE) My wife and I sell mail order software "on the side", and we've been known to delay many weeks between receipt of an order and its shipment, usually because the software is being upgraded or we're out of material such as three-ring binders. However, we make a practice of cashing the check AFTER the product is shipped. -- Andrew Klossner (decvax!teklabs!tekecs!andrew) [UUCP] (andrew.tektronix@rand-relay) [ARPA]
CSvax:Pucc-H:acu@pur-ee.UUCP (07/31/83)
In the latest (August 8th) InfoWorld, there is an ad for (wonder of wonders) JRT Pascal 4.0! The two striking differences between this and v3 are (according to the ad) that the new release compiles "twice as fast" as the old one, and they will ship your version 4.0 within 48 hours of receiving your check (imagine that!). It wasn't surprising to find that JRT is no longer distributing the package themselves (a firm named BlueEarth is doing it (anybody heard of them?)), and the price is now $100 (the manual without compiler is $40!).... The ad made no mention of update availablity for those of us who waited (and waited) for v3. Mark Shoemaker ...!pur-ee!pucc-h.acu
kurt@fluke.UUCP (Kurt Guntheroth) (08/05/83)
I have heard this reason JRT was selling a $29.95 compiler: They were said to be developing a better compiler and wanted to obtain a large user base so they could sell them all this new compiler at an increased price. Now here is the new compiler and here is the huge user base. Unfortunately all of these users had to wait months for the compiler. Would you pay $100 for a compiler from such a company? Maybe.