nopuklic@ndsuvax.UUCP (Blayne Puklich) (11/28/88)
I have a few questions for anyone who has had the opportunity to play with (or owns) the beta release of MPW 3.0. Here they are: 1. Can you tell me anything about SADE that APDA doesn't tell me? How useful does it seem in your opinion? Does it seem to be quick enough so that you don't get frustrated waiting for it? I'd appreciate knowing your personal list of likes and dislikes relating to SADE. 2. Any information about Projector other than the APDA sales pitch would be helpful. Is it easy to use? Does it seem that it too will be very helpful in managing projects of moderate to large size? Your personal likes and dislikes would be helpful for Projector, also. 3. Are there any changes to the command language that are significant? All in all, does the upgrade from MPW 2.0.2 to MPW 3.0B1 seem worth it? I'm considering upgrading MPW C also, even though it's supposedly buggy. Also, I'd like to know the answer to the question about precompiled headers that was asked before. Simply knowing if the speed of the compiler has improved would be helpful (we all know how slow MPW C seems). Any help provided in helping me decide if the upgrade is worth it sure would be appreciated. ||+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|| || Blayne Puklich nopuklic@Plains.NoDak.EDU "I think I'm going || || NDSU Student ACM nopuklic@ndsuvax.BITNET bald..." || || Chairperson NU087763@NDSUVM1.BITNET -- Rush, from Caress || || North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND of Steel, 1975 || || || || "Everyone should have a Corvette, I think." || || || ||-------------------------------------------------------------------------||
mls@dasys1.UUCP (Michael Siemon) (11/29/88)
In article <1856@ndsuvax.UUCP>, nopuklic@ndsuvax.UUCP (Blayne Puklich) writes: > 1. Can you tell me anything about SADE that APDA doesn't tell me? Ah, yes. And are MacDraw tools supported? i.e. can I have a marquee de Sade? More seriously, does anyone know when a C++ will show up (even in beta?) The APDA packages are just plain vanilla Pascal and C. -- Michael Siemon I cannot grow; Big Electric Cat Public UNIX I have no shadow ..!att!mhuxumls To run away from, ..!uunet!dasys1!mls I only play.
ecs175f037@deneb.ucdavis.edu (0000;0000037028;3300;250;214;ecs175f) (11/29/88)
In article <1856@ndsuvax.UUCP> nopuklic@ndsuvax.UUCP (Blayne Puklich) writes: > >I have a few questions for anyone who has had the opportunity to play >with (or owns) the beta release of MPW 3.0. Here they are: > >2. Any information about Projector other than the APDA sales pitch >would be helpful. Is it easy to use? Does it seem that it too will be >very helpful in managing projects of moderate to large size? Your personal >likes and dislikes would be helpful for Projector, also. > I tried using Projector and found it too cumbersome for a single programmer working on a single project. It seems quite powerful (i.e. can track revision histories and "branches.") but just wasn't worth the work for me. Some other thought on MPW 3.0b: - Compiles in the background What, don't you have some extra clock cycles to waste? - C compiler is ANSI draft compatible I like to use function prototypes to improve error checking and this was a BIG help - Should be very stable (don't quote me on this one) My earlier version (alpha 2) was VERY stable, so I don't expect lots of problems with this release - Linker isn't a lot faster As usual, the linker remains a bottleneck in the turn-around time. My only advice is to set the RAM cache up a bit and get a snack during particularly long makes - C Interfaces are reworked The C interface libraries (#includes) have been reorganized into a more logical format (e.g. closer to Inside Mac). This make it much easier to decide which files need to be included and which ones don't. All in all, I'm quite pleased with this release although I still use Lightspeed C for preliminary work and particularly tough debugging tasks. >||+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|| >|| Blayne Puklich nopuklic@Plains.NoDak.EDU "I think I'm going || >|| NDSU Student ACM nopuklic@ndsuvax.BITNET bald..." || >|| Chairperson NU087763@NDSUVM1.BITNET -- Rush, from Caress || >|| North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND of Steel, 1975 || >|| || >|| "Everyone should have a Corvette, I think." || >|| || >||-------------------------------------------------------------------------|| ----- Greg DeMichillie Apple Student Rep - UC Davis lgdemichillie@ucdavis.edu AppleLink: ST0178 Disclaimer: If you've seen one disclaimer, you've seen them all.