dean@uranus.Berkeley.EDU (12/03/88)
I know of the following Smalltalks for the Mac...Does anyone know of any others, and/or have any comments about any of the following: Apple's Smalltalk-80 v0.4 from APDA (last version I know of...) Digitalk's Smalltalk V/Mac (announced in August, is it shipping yet ?) I know Parc Place Systems also has one, but the price ($995 last I heard) is prohibitive, unless they have some _very_ good educational pricing ? (I have a Mac SE, 1Mb RAM :-(, 20Mb hard disk, and also wonder if this is enough computer to run any real Smalltalk on...I'm a Smalltalk total novice but am interested in OOP....) Thanks for any advice, Drew Dean Internet: dean@xcssun.berkeley.edu UUCP: ...!ucbvax!xcssun!dean FROM Disclaimers IMPORT StandardDisclaimer;
falken@caen.engin.umich.edu (David R Falkenburg) (12/04/88)
In article <7963@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, dean@uranus.Berkeley.EDU writes: > I know Parc Place Systems also has one, but the price ($995 last I heard) is > prohibitive, unless they have some _very_ good educational pricing ? > (I have a Mac SE, 1Mb RAM :-(, 20Mb hard disk, and also wonder if this is > enough computer to run any real Smalltalk on...I'm a Smalltalk total novice > but am interested in OOP....) > Thanks for any advice, > > Drew Dean > Internet: dean@xcssun.berkeley.edu > UUCP: ...!ucbvax!xcssun!dean > FROM Disclaimers IMPORT StandardDisclaimer; Actually, ParcPlace has a nice site licesnsing system if your in an academic environment. (one big fee for the first platform + small additional fees for each new platform) Through this system, we're going to have SmallTalk avaiable on all our Mac II/IIx machines for a small incremental cost (we already were buying it for the Apollos and Suns) I'd suggets conatacting ParcPlace for more details. -dave -- Dave Falkenburg @ University of Michigan Computer Aided Engineering Network ARPA: falken@caen.engin.umich.edu UUCP: umix!caen.engin.umich.edu!falken
cca@pur-phy (Charles C. Allen) (12/04/88)
In article <7963@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, dean@uranus.Berkeley.EDU writes: > Apple's Smalltalk-80 v0.4 from APDA (last version I know of...) The latest HOOPLA reported that Apple had cancelled their plans to produce a "MacAppized" Smalltalk. Drat. > Digitalk's Smalltalk V/Mac (announced in August, is it shipping yet ?) They started shipping November 18th. Computerware is planning on handling it, MacConnection didn't know last time I checked. > I know Parc Place Systems also has one, but the price ($995 last I heard) is > prohibitive, unless they have some _very_ good educational pricing ? Actually, they do, but only for orders placed through the university. I've been bothering ParcPlace and National Instruments (makers of LabVIEW) about student pricing, but I would say the chance of anything happening is about 0. Charles Allen cca@newton.physics.purdue.edu
georg@exunido.uucp (Georg A. M. Heeg) (12/06/88)
In article <7963@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> dean@xcssun.Berkeley.EDU () writes: >I know Parc Place Systems also has one, but the price ($995 last I heard) is >prohibitive, unless they have some _very_ good educational pricing ? Yes, discount is available for educational institutions and their individuals: app. 149 US $ for the US, 399 DM (incl. VAT) for Germany, 356,14 DM for Austria, BeNeLux and Switzerland (excl VAT) Furthermore there is a site license programme called ParcRanger. For details please contact your local ParcPlace agent. >(I have a Mac SE, 1Mb RAM :-(, 20Mb hard disk, and also wonder if this is >enough computer to run any real Smalltalk on...I'm a Smalltalk total novice >but am interested in OOP....) 2 MB main memory is the very least figure to bring up Smalltalk-80 version 2.3. More memory (4 MB) is strongly recommented for medium size applications. In this area please contact me, elsewhere (US, Canada,...) please contact ParcPlace Systems, 2400 Geng Road, Palo Alto, Ca, 94303, e-mail: sales@ParcPlace.com, phone: x1-415) 859-1000. Georg Heeg Smalltalk-80 Systems Baroper Str. 337 D-4600 Dortmund 50 phone: (x49-231) 75 13 26 e-mail: georg@unido.{uucp,bitnet}
georg@exunido.uucp (Georg A. M. Heeg) (12/06/88)
In article <1691@pur-phy> cca@pur-phy (Charles C. Allen) writes: >> I know Parc Place Systems also has one, but the price ($995 last I heard) is >> prohibitive, unless they have some _very_ good educational pricing ? > >Actually, they do, but only for orders placed through the university. >I've been bothering ParcPlace and National Instruments (makers of >LabVIEW) about student pricing, but I would say the chance of anything >happening is about 0. Actually ParcPlace policy has been changed in September, so it is worth to contact them again Georg Heeg Smalltalk-80-Systems Baroper Str. 337 4600 Dortmund 50
MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) (12/07/88)
Another Smalltalk implementation for the Mac is Smalltalk/V from Digitalk. Since I am currently a Smalltalk neophyte, I cannot say how good it is from the purely Smalltalk point of view, but I like the docs quite a lot. It comes with a comprehensive set of tutorials as well as quite a bit of source. The entirety of Smalltalk/V (except for the lowest level primitives) is in Smalltalk, so you can modify to your heart's content. When asked to compare with Smalltalk-80, the Digitalk people said that the list price is $199 (I don't know the street price). They also said that Smalltalk-80 comes with more methods and classes, but that those that Smalltalk/V lacked could be generated fairly easily by someone who knew Smalltalk well. Digitalk's address is: Digitalk, Inc. 9841 Airport Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90045 (213) 645-1082 Basically, I can't say which of the products are better, but Smalltalk/V seems to offer most of the functionality at a fraction of the price. Stephan <- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Stephan Somogyi Software Engineer MacUser Labs 950 Tower Lane, 18th Floor Foster City, CA 94404 ...sun!cup.portal.com!MacUserLabs or MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com BIX: mulabs CIS: 72511,16 MacNET: MULABS FAX: (415) 378-5675 AppleLink: X1058 'The early worm deserves the bird.' The opinions expressed above are mine.
cca@pur-phy (Charles C. Allen) (12/10/88)
Smalltak/V Mac is available for $150 from APDA. As of 88 Dec 9 they're backordered by a week or so. APDA can be reached at 290 SW 43rd St. Renton, WA 98055 206/251-6548 Charles Allen cca@newton.physics.purdue.edu