rgm@sandstorm.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Menke) (12/07/89)
This is beginning to bother me. How does the Finder (under
MultiFinder) send messages to each of the open applications to close
when the user selects "Shut Down" from the "Special" menu?
Obviously it is not a patch to the _Shutdown macro (or is it? I'm not
sure how patches are handled under MultiFinder) nor does it seem to be
procedures installed via ShutDwnInstall (or do procedures installed
only execute if the application containing them is the active one?
That would seem silly).
This is bothersome to me because I use MPW 2.0.2 as a CLI more often
than I use the finder, and it's irritating to have to flip out to the
finder to quit (even MPW's "shutdown" command fails to notify
applications).
If this has been covered, send answers via e-mail, etc, etc.
"It is a pity that you Autobots die so | Robert Menke
easily..." | rgm@OCF.berkeley.edu
-Galvatron | Robert.Menke@bmug.fidonet.org
TEAM CS -- Making Tomorrow's Mistakes Today!vallon@sbmiclr.CS.SunySB.EDU (Justin Vallon) (12/08/89)
In article <1989Dec7.083540.3798@agate.berkeley.edu>, rgm@sandstorm.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Menke) writes: > This is beginning to bother me. How does the Finder (under > MultiFinder) send messages to each of the open applications to close > when the user selects "Shut Down" from the "Special" menu? ... > [MPW's "shutdown" command fails to notify applications] Shut Down from the Finder does not need to be patched. Finder (when running in MultiFinder mode) "knows" that it has to notify open applications about a pending restart/shutdown. What the Finder does is it looks for the "Quit" item in the "File" menu of all open applications and calls it (it can do that, you know... it's MultiFinder). [I also remember that the defaults for these strings can be overrided by some resource] When all open applications are closed (you can cancel a shutdown/restart by clicking on the Cancel button in the "Save changes to ^0?" alert), the Finder then invokes the Restart/Shutdown trap. (All from memory, but I've heard this here before). So, how to fix it? If you have a Macro program (MacroMaker :-(, QuicKeys, etc), create a Macro that clicks on the trash-can (to switch to the Finder layer), and then calls menu item "Special"/"Shutdown". The only problem with the macro is that you can't hide the trash-can, which frequently happens. I can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Maybe somebody else can come up with a solution. Maybe a Switch-To-Finder FKEY? > "It is a pity that you Autobots die so | Robert Menke > easily..." | rgm@OCF.berkeley.edu > -Galvatron | Robert.Menke@bmug.fidonet.org > TEAM CS -- Making Tomorrow's Mistakes Today! -Justin vallon@sbcs.sunysb.edu
nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Norman William Franke, III) (12/08/89)
>So, how to fix it? If you have a Macro program (MacroMaker :-(, QuicKeys, >etc), create a Macro that clicks on the trash-can (to switch to the Finder >layer), and then calls menu item "Special"/"Shutdown". The only problem with >the macro is that you can't hide the trash-can, which frequently happens. > >I can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Maybe somebody else >can come up with a solution. Maybe a Switch-To-Finder FKEY? One could purchase QuickKeys, and make a macro which will shutdown. This macro then automatically switches to the finder, and selects it's stutdown. Sounds complicated? It does it all by it self, just select "Define-Special-Shutdown", I believe, from the menu... -Norman Franke nf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (I have nothing to do with CE Software, BTW, just passing along info!)
d88-jwa@nada.kth.se (Jon Watte) (12/09/89)
In article <4193@sbcs.sunysb.edu> vallon@sbmiclr.CS.SunySB.EDU (Justin Vallon) writes: >In article <1989Dec7.083540.3798@agate.berkeley.edu>, >Shut Down from the Finder does not need to be patched. Finder (when running >in MultiFinder mode) "knows" that it has to notify open applications about >a pending restart/shutdown. What the Finder does is it looks for the "Quit" >item in the "File" menu of all open applications and calls it (it can do >that, you know... it's MultiFinder). [I also remember that the defaults for >these strings can be overrided by some resource] When all open applications Yes, you can. I frequently have to do this because a) the program didn't have this resource or b) the resource was not translated to swedish although the menus were... :-( >So, how to fix it? If you have a Macro program (MacroMaker :-(, QuicKeys, >etc), create a Macro that clicks on the trash-can (to switch to the Finder Why not choose "Finder" from the Apple menu ? QuickKeys certainly lets you do this, and I believe other do as well. You could have an FKEY doing OpenDeskAcc("\PFinder") but then you'd be looking for trouble ! -- -- Stay alert ! - Trust noone ! - Keep your laser handy ! --- h+@nada.kth.se == h+@proxxi.se == Jon Watte longer .sig available on request
vallon@sboslab2.cs.sunysb.edu (Justin Vallon) (12/09/89)
In article <2500@draken.nada.kth.se>, d88-jwa@nada.kth.se (Jon Watte) writes: > In article <4193@sbcs.sunysb.edu> vallon@sbmiclr.CS.SunySB.EDU (Justin Vallon) writes: > >So, how to fix it? If you have a Macro program (MacroMaker :-(, QuicKeys, > >etc), create a Macro that clicks on the trash-can (to switch to the Finder > > Why not choose "Finder" from the Apple menu ? QuickKeys certainly lets you > do this, and I believe other do as well. Now, why didn't I think of that? Oh, wait a minute. My brain hasn't been on for a week. <Click> That's better. > -- Stay alert ! - Trust noone ! - Keep your laser handy ! --- > h+@nada.kth.se == h+@proxxi.se == Jon Watte > longer .sig available on request -Justin vallon@sbcs.sunysb.edu
tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) (12/10/89)
In article <1989Dec7.083540.3798@agate.berkeley.edu> rgm@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Menke) writes: >This is beginning to bother me. How does the Finder (under >MultiFinder) send messages to each of the open applications to close >when the user selects "Shut Down" from the "Special" menu? By magic. It goes through the MultiFinder list of applications, searches each one for a quit command in the file menu, posts a fake mouse-down event in the menu bar, and patches MenuSelect to return the number of the required menu item. It then waits for the application quit, including any necessary save dialogs. You can't do this and it would be unwise to try. >Obviously it is not a patch to the _Shutdown macro (or is it? I'm not >sure how patches are handled under MultiFinder) nor does it seem to be >procedures installed via ShutDwnInstall (or do procedures installed >only execute if the application containing them is the active one? >That would seem silly). Nope, the Shutdown Manager is not involved. If you call Shutdown from your own program, it's tough cookies for any other applications that may be running at the time. The Finder does it strictly in response to receiving the Restart and Shut Down menu commands. Hopefully, the Shutdown manager will do this in System 7.0, but I wouldn't hold my breath. (Since you'll be able to give a Finder menu command from other applications then anyway, it's not really mandatory.) >This is bothersome to me because I use MPW 2.0.2 as a CLI more often >than I use the finder, and it's irritating to have to flip out to the >finder to quit (even MPW's "shutdown" command fails to notify >applications). Yep. It's a pain. No good way around it, though. -- Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com "There are no Famous People on the net. Only some of us with bigger mouths than others." -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, The Roach