gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu (11/02/89)
In the November issue of MacTutor there's a note saying to look for MacTutor's "sister" publication from Apple, coming out this month, called "Develop". Anyone know anything about this? Does one have to be a partner/associate to get it? Robert ============================================================================ = gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu * generic disclaimer: * "It's more fun to = = crsp_ra@gsbacd.uchicago.edu * all my opinions are * compute" = = * mine * -Kraftwerk = ============================================================================
mithomas@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Michael Thomas Niehaus) (02/03/90)
I received a copy of "develop" magagine in the mail today (complimentary
premier issue). Did they send this out to all APDA members, or did I
manage to get this some other way? (I'm on so many different mailing
lists I really don't know.)
-Michael
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Ball State University AppleLink: ST0374 (from UUCP: st0374@applelink.apple.com)dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt) (02/03/90)
In article <1990Feb2.015621.12969@agate.berkeley.edu> silverio@brahms.berkeley.edu.UUCP (C J Silverio) writes: > I agree that Inside Mac is currently "a mess." but... > > I just got my copy of _develop_ and it is really quite excellent. Jam > packed with good quality sample source code, each article is an > advanced-level tutorial for the Mac programmer who wants to know "How > do I use ..." In many cases, the articles are written by the people > that wrote the system software in question. The editing is quite good > -- no stupid jokes, no cruddy english, straightforward and > well-written. This magazine is everything that MacTutor would wish to > be: accurate, good-looking, and correctly spelled. There just isn't > any "publicity/sales type material," either. Yup. It's nice to have a source for "straight from the horse's mouth" information, and code that can be trusted not to violate fifteen cardinal rules of safe Mac programming. > Frankly, I'm not all that sure what to make of the CD-ROM that came > with it, but this is mostly because I don't have a CD-ROM player. The > same code is available from APDA on regular disks. The CD-ROM is exactly what it says. It has the whole text of the issue available on-line, via a couple of applications (one for monochrome systems, one for color). It has all of the source-code. It has several of the applications in ready-to-run form. It's a nice thing to have, today. It will be VERY nice after a few more issues of "develop" come out, because each CD-ROM will be a complete archive of all issues to date. Rather than having to dig through a library of diskettes, and also keep a stack of magazines on the shelf, you'll simply be able to pull out the latest CD-ROM and yank the files you want. Let's see... at about 5 megs/issue, that's about 30 years' worth per CD-ROM... > I am really quite impressed with this trend in tech support materials. > Recently we have seen the introduction of DTS sample code, well- > written and very applicable to day-to-day programming; TechNotes in a > HyperCard stack, making them TONS easier to find and use; and now > _develop._ Agreed! Mac DTS, and the technical-documentation folks, have really been doing some high-class work lately! > Now if ONLY we could eliminate the delta document in Our Time..... Cosmic message... it's already being done. The SpInside Mac stack on the Release Version of the Developer Helper CD (a.k.a. Phil&Dave's) has all five volumes of Inside Mac... merged into the appropriate order... with obsolete materials deleted, and lots of cross-references to the Tech Notes stack. 10 megs of searchable text and data! If you want to see this available to people other than Partners and Associates, phone or write Phil Ostron (the Operations Manager at APDA) and urge him to get this CD-ROM into the APDA catalog. MAKE NOISE, PEOPLE! The fact that "develop" costs $30/year, and includes one CD-ROM per issue, should give you a real feeling for just how cost-effective the CD-ROM can be as a data-distribution medium. -- Dave Platt VOICE: (415) 493-8805 UUCP: ...!{ames,apple,uunet}!coherent!dplatt DOMAIN: dplatt@coherent.com INTERNET: coherent!dplatt@ames.arpa, ...@uunet.uu.net USNAIL: Coherent Thought Inc. 3350 West Bayshore #205 Palo Alto CA 94303
hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama LAKE) (02/03/90)
In article <10694@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> mithomas@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Michael Thomas Niehaus) writes: >I received a copy of "develop" magagine in the mail today (complimentary >premier issue). Did they send this out to all APDA members, or did I Yes I think, because I am not on any other APPLE list. -- ----------------Harri Valkama (hv@uwasa.fi)------------- University of Vaasa, Finland anonymous ftp site (128.214.12.3) PC and Mac directories
silverio@brahms.berkeley.edu (C J Silverio) (02/03/90)
I wrote: Now if ONLY we could eliminate the delta document in Our Time..... Dave Platt: Cosmic message... it's already being done. The SpInside Mac stack on the Release Version of the Developer Helper CD (a.k.a. Phil&Dave's) has all five volumes of Inside Mac... merged into the appropriate order... with obsolete materials deleted, and lots of cross-references to the Tech Notes stack. 10 megs of searchable text and data! If you want to see this available to people other than Partners and Associates, phone or write Phil Ostron (the Operations Manager at APDA) and urge him to get this CD-ROM into the APDA catalog. MAKE NOISE, PEOPLE! Allright! That only leaves folding in the set of technotes that are actually corrections to IM (as opposed to programming tricks, compatibility notes, and sample code) to produce an up-to-date, easy-to-use Inside Macintosh. HEY APPLE: If I were gonna be in charge of things, I'd take the spInside Mac, fold in the appropriate "correctional" Tech Notes, and put it, along with the other technote stack, the DTS Sample Code, and some form of Inside Mac DA (or other Instant Reference -- I presume there's one built into the Inside Mac stack) onto a CD-ROM. I'd update it quarterly, add release notes that describe what changed, and sell subcriptions. If I were faced with BUYING such a thing, I would be perfectly willing to pay $100/yr for it. AND, I'd be down at the dealership TOMORROW to get a CD-ROM player. Then, at least I wouldn't have to pull my hair out trying to find documentation and could free up 20% of my time for programming. (And yes, I will write to Phil Ostron, as well as Louella Pizzuti, editor of develop, to let them know how much I appreciate their efforts.)
lsr@Apple.COM (Larry Rosenstein) (02/03/90)
In article <45684@improper.coherent.com> dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt) writes: > >The CD-ROM is exactly what it says. It has the whole text of the >issue available on-line, via a couple of applications (one for monochrome Actually, the CD has MORE than it says. Someone pointed out that it contains a couple of extra pages that aren't in the printed version. They are definitely worth checking out. -- Larry Rosenstein, Object Specialist Apple Computer, Inc. 20525 Mariani Ave, MS 77-A Cupertino, CA 95014 AppleLink:Rosenstein1 domain:lsr@Apple.COM UUCP:{sun,voder,nsc,decwrl}!apple!lsr
edgar@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) (02/04/90)
Apple sent this to me, unsolicited. If I don't agree with the full-page
fine-print licence agreement that accompanies the CD, I am supposed to
SEND IT BACK? Did their lawyers really approve this?
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Columbus, OH 43210 ...!{att,pyramid}!osu-cis!shape.mps.ohio-state.edu!edgarmfi@serc.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Interrante) (02/04/90)
I would like to recieve a copy of Develop. Does the mag have an address (e-mail)? I am a member of apda. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Interrante Software Engineering Research Center mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu CIS Department, University of Florida 32611 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Imagine what it would be like if TV actually were good. It would be the end of everything we know." Marvin Minsky
lippin@twinkies.berkeley.edu (The Apathist) (02/05/90)
Recently edgar@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) wrote (about develop): >Apple sent this to me, unsolicited. If I don't agree with the full-page >fine-print licence agreement that accompanies the CD, I am supposed to >SEND IT BACK? Did their lawyers really approve this? I can't believe that DTS put that in. For those of you who haven't read it, the CD license reads roughly "If you read anything from this CD, you'll know proprietary information and trade secrets of Apple, and we'll be forced to kill you." Seeing how DTS is going crazy trying to get this information to people, the draconian license is way off base. --Tom Lippincott lippin@math.berkeley.edu "This tape will self-destruct in five seconds."
rubinoff@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Robert Rubinoff) (02/06/90)
In article <1990Feb3.171215.2010@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> edgar@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Gerald Edgar) writes: > >Apple sent this to me, unsolicited. If I don't agree with the full-page >fine-print licence agreement that accompanies the CD, I am supposed to >SEND IT BACK? Did their lawyers really approve this? Well, since U.S. law says that any unsolicited mail automatically becomes your property, you can certainly keep it. I don't know if the license agreement is binding on you, but you're certainly free to throw the CD out, hang it on the wall, or use it in any other way that's not a violation of the license. Personally, I plan to simply use it to store my backup files :-) Robert P.S. Actually, even if you did pay for the magazine, I don't think you have to send the CD back. I suspect the "send back" provision is really a "money-back" offer to encourage people not to violate the license, since it does say that your money will be refunded if you return the CD.