lance@hermix.UUCP (Lance Ellinghouse) (02/23/90)
Hello, Does anyone have any examples of code using the Script manager? I cannot find anything anywhere. Please help if you can... Thanks, Lance Ellinghouse Mark V Systems Internet: hermix!lance@anes.ucla.edu UUCP: hermix!lance
ggiergiel@vmsa.oac.uci.edu (02/28/90)
In article <33@hermix.UUCP>, lance@hermix.UUCP (Lance Ellinghouse) writes... >Hello, > Does anyone have any examples of code using the Script manager? >I cannot find anything anywhere. Script Manager is poorly documented, incompletely implemented set of routines that you should avoid at any cost. Hopefully they (Apple) will clean it up one day. J.G
han@apple.COM (Byron Han, Project Scapegoat) (03/01/90)
In article <25EAF617.21750@orion.oac.uci.edu> ggiergiel@vmsa.oac.uci.edu writes: > Script Manager is poorly documented, incompletely implemented > set of routines that you should avoid at any cost. There is an excellent document available from APDA - Worldwide Development: Guide to System Software. To give you a taste of the document, I will synopsize the table of contents. 1. introduction to scripts and the script management system this includes overviews of scriptfeatures, components (char encoding, input, composition, sorting, date/time/calendar/money/number formats) 2. Script Systems a bit more detail about Asian and Middle Eastern script syetems as well as simple script sytems 3. Overview and Concepts discussion of architecture and overview of data structures variables and routines 4. techniques of using the script manager examples are included here 5. script manager constants and data structures 6. script manager routines There is even more stuff to be included in later drafts... A. testing your applications for script manager compatibility B. International Resources C. Constructing Word break tables D. Keyboard handling E. PACK 6 sorting and more stuff +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Disclaimer: Apple has no connection with my postings. | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Byron Han, CommToolbox Scapegoat "Working 100 hours a week and loving it!" Apple Computer, Inc. -------------------------------- 20525 Mariani Ave, MS 69L Internet: han@apple.COM Cupertino, CA 95014 UUCP:{sun,voder,nsc,decwrl}!apple!han -------------------------------- GENIE:BYRONHAN CompuServe:72167,1664 ATTnet: 408-974-6450 Applelink:HAN1 HAN1@applelink.apple.COM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ggiergiel@vmsa.oac.uci.edu (03/02/90)
>> Script Manager is poorly documented, incompletely implemented >> set of routines that you should avoid at any cost. > >There is an excellent document available from APDA - Worldwide >Development: Guide to System Software. How do you get it and for how much? It is not in my last issue of APDAlog. Plus, I am getting sick and tired of paying inflated APD prices for preliminary documentation that gets totally rewritten way too often. Why dont you guys stop charging for preliminary blurbs. Some decency would not hurt. J.G.
bc@modernlvr.sgi.com (Bill Coderre) (03/03/90)
ggiergiel@vmsa.oac.uci.edu writes: |>> Script Manager is poorly documented, incompletely implemented |>> set of routines that you should avoid at any cost. |>There is an excellent document available from APDA - Worldwide |>Development: Guide to System Software. |How do you get it and for how much? It is not in my last issue of |APDAlog. Plus, I am getting sick and tired of paying inflated |APD prices for preliminary documentation that gets totally rewritten |way too often. The best match I found is "Software Development for International Markets," Apple Computer. No date. It is classified as "Class 1B" -- a beta draft. It is 300pp and costs $35. Order number A7G0016. I should note that the product blurb (on p C-85 of the Fall 89 APDAlog) does not mention the Script Manager outright, but says that the manual concentrates on "tools and techniques to localize software products." I've never seen the manual, so I cannot tell just how "Beta" this manual is. I am heartened by the fact that Apple has been filling in a lot of gaps in its documentation recently. Also, recent manuals seem to be of high technical quality. I had a chance to play with SpInside Mac, and it is indeed an okay stopgap solution -- for those that can get it. Although almost no revisions have been made to Inside Mac, there are now built-in pointers to germane Tech Notes and DTS Q&A stacks. (I didn't figure out how to look up a particular trap or variable, is there a method?) My only gripes with APDA of late have been: that "Programmers' Guide to Multifinder" is out-of-date, covering version 1.0 of Multifinder (although this is only a guess since NO version information is provided, other than the copyright year), and therefore rather overpriced at $20 for 97 pages (including a sample program listing but NO disk (but that sample program is now outdated, anyway, and is found in the DTS Sample Code)); that of the five items I've ordered, three were delayed, averaging a week to come back into stock; and that their disk storage pages are designed for 5 1/4" disks, so Macintosh (3 1/2") disks fall right out. Obviously, I am a fairly satisfied customer. I just hope that Inside Mac gets rewritten someday. bc
Jim.Spencer@p5.f22.n282.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Spencer) (03/04/90)
>My only gripes with APDA of late have been: > that "Programmers' Guide to Multifinder" is out-of-date, > covering version 1.0 of Multifinder (although this is only a > guess since NO version information is provided, other than the > copyright year), and therefore rather overpriced at $20 for 97 > pages (including a sample program listing but NO disk (but > that sample program is now outdated, anyway, and is found in > the DTS Sample Code)); > > that of the five items I've ordered, three were delayed, > averaging a week to come back into stock; > > and that their disk storage pages are designed for 5 1/4" > disks, so Macintosh (3 1/2") disks fall right out. > >Obviously, I am a fairly satisfied customer. I just hope that Inside >Mac gets rewritten someday. Well I'm glad someone is satisfied. In my case they billed me last Fall for my annual membership which wasn't due until now. When I called them, they said to ignore the bill, they had a foulup that effected several customers. Nevertheless, in November, they failed to send me the Fall APDALog. In January I called them and they told me that according to their records, my membership had lapsed last January (it wouldn't have run until March even if I hadn't paid the bill which I did). Now, like clockwork, my bill for the next year arrives but interestingly, they haven't published a catalog in 6 months. I got much better service when APDA was handled by the outsiders in Washington. -- Jim Spencer - via FidoNet node 1:282/33 UUCP: ...!uunet!imagery!22.5!Jim.Spencer ARPA: Jim.Spencer@p5.f22.n282.z1.FIDONET.ORG
Eric.Larson@f22.n282.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Eric Larson) (03/05/90)
BC> that of the five items I've ordered, three were BC> delayed averaging a week to come back into stock; You have had far better success with APDA than I have. The last time I placed an order with APDA I had the following occur: 1) My credit card was overcharged $550 2) The two items I ordered were both out of stock, the second took two months to be delivered. 3) I received a double shipment of the first item I ordered. It took four months for Apple to get around removing the credit card charge from my bill, during which time my credit card company was harassing me. I also notice that APDA is skipping publishing an issue of APDAlog. I will _never_ order anything not absolutely necessary from APDA again; it wouldn't be as bad if you didn't have to give them a credit card number to place an order, but they won't accept checks. Despite the problems with APDA before it was taken over by Apple, this is far worse. -- Eric Larson - via FidoNet node 1:282/33 UUCP: ...!uunet!imagery!22!Eric.Larson ARPA: Eric.Larson@f22.n282.z1.FIDONET.ORG
baumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) (03/08/90)
In article <22.25F25578@imagery.FIDONET.ORG>, Jim.Spencer@p5 (Jim Spencer) writes: >Well I'm glad someone is satisfied. In my case they billed me last >Fall for my annual membership which wasn't due until now. When I >called them, they said to ignore the bill, they had a foulup that >effected several customers. Nevertheless, in November, they failed >to send me the Fall APDALog. In January I called them and they told >me that according to their records, my membership had lapsed last >January (it wouldn't have run until March even if I hadn't paid the >bill which I did). Now, like clockwork, my bill for the next year >arrives but interestingly, they haven't published a catalog in 6 >months. I got much better service when APDA was handled by the >outsiders in Washington. I thought it was just me. They still owe me the rest of last year's tech notes -- I would have been better off finding some who could FTP them for me and then just printing them out myself. I've more or less written the organization off, and it bothers me that I have to pay a "membership fee" to get such consistently shoddy service. Why on earth is everything a problem with these people? They're not a young startup anymore, so they can't use that excuse. Hell, I'm not even griping about the somewhat inflated prices and bizarre shipping and handling fees -- if they could just send me what I order in a reasonable amount of time, and send me my APDAlog once in a while I'd be happy. -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." baumgart@esquire.dpw.com | cmcl2!esquire!baumgart | - David Letterman
viking@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jon W. Backstrom) (03/09/90)
In article <25F25575> Eric.Larson@f22.n282.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Eric Larson) writes: > >I will _never_ order anything not absolutely necessary from APDA again; it >wouldn't be as bad if you didn't have to give them a credit card number to >place an order, but they won't accept checks. > >Eric Larson - via FidoNet node 1:282/33 >UUCP: ...!uunet!imagery!22!Eric.Larson >ARPA: Eric.Larson@f22.n282.z1.FIDONET.ORG They accepted *my* check for $293 just last week, so I don't think you're correct about this. I'm sorry to hear about your problems, however. I have found the APDA personnel to be *very* friendly and helpful, but it did take two shots to get my latest order right. I think this is more a problem with Cupertino getting the right information to the shipping department in Santa Clara. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon W. Backstrom "Yah sure...we gonna have fun, you bet!" Institute for Digital Arts P.O. Box 176 Internet: viking@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Bloomington, IN 47402-0176 UUCP: {ames,rutgers,att}!iuvax!silver!viking -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Henry C. Schmitt) (03/09/90)
In article <1839@esquire.UUCP> baumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) writes: >In article <22.25F25578@imagery.FIDONET.ORG>, Jim.Spencer@p5 (Jim Spencer) writes: >>Well I'm glad someone is satisfied. In my case they billed me last >>Fall for my annual membership which wasn't due until now. When I >>called them, they said to ignore the bill, they had a foulup that >>effected several customers. Nevertheless, in November, they failed >>to send me the Fall APDALog. In January I called them and they told >>me that according to their records, my membership had lapsed last >>January (it wouldn't have run until March even if I hadn't paid the >>bill which I did). Now, like clockwork, my bill for the next year >>arrives but interestingly, they haven't published a catalog in 6 >>months. I got much better service when APDA was handled by the >>outsiders in Washington. > >I thought it was just me. They still owe me the rest of last year's >tech notes -- I would have been better off finding some who could FTP >them for me and then just printing them out myself. I've more or less >written the organization off, and it bothers me that I have to pay a >"membership fee" to get such consistently shoddy service. > >Why on earth is everything a problem with these people? They're not a >young startup anymore, so they can't use that excuse. Hell, I'm not >even griping about the somewhat inflated prices and bizarre shipping >and handling fees -- if they could just send me what I order in a >reasonable amount of time, and send me my APDAlog once in a while I'd >be happy. > I haven't received any APDAlogs since last summer's issue either! I gave up on trying to get any tech notes from them as they're always 3-4 months late! Every time I call them about this, I get promises that "I'll put the catalog in the mail myself" but nothing happens! I think we should break up their monopoloy, if they had to compete, they'd have gone out of business long ago. Please, everyone who's having problems, send them email at APDA@applelink.apple.com! -- H3nry C. Schmitt | CompuServe: 72275,1456 (Rarely) | GEnie: H.Schmitt (Occasionally) Royal Inn of Yoruba | UUCP: Henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Best Bet)
baumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) (03/14/90)
In article <1990Mar9.055910.1559@chinet.chi.il.us>, henry@chinet (Henry C. Schmitt) writes: >I haven't received any APDAlogs since last summer's issue either! I >gave up on trying to get any tech notes from them as they're always >3-4 months late! > >Every time I call them about this, I get promises that "I'll put the >catalog in the mail myself" but nothing happens! > >I think we should break up their monopoloy, if they had to compete, >they'd have gone out of business long ago. > >Please, everyone who's having problems, send them email at >APDA@applelink.apple.com! >-- > H3nry C. Schmitt | CompuServe: 72275,1456 (Rarely) > | GEnie: H.Schmitt (Occasionally) > Royal Inn of Yoruba | UUCP: Henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Best Bet) Well, sometimes griping in public gets results. Over the weekend I got some mail from Phil Ostrom (OSTROM1@applelink.apple.com), the APDA operations manager. He seemed quite sympathetic and concerned, and promised to send me the latest APDAlog and the 1989 tech notes that I paid for but never received. For everyone's information, the last issue of APDAlog was the fall '89 issue, so that's why no one's gotten one since. They're supposed to be mailing the new issue by the end of the month. It was also interesting to find out that APDA has no record of my tech note order -- even though I ordered the notes in July and they did in fact ship the tech notes from the beginning of the year. Fortunately I saved my receipt. You'd think a computer company would be able to just put all this in a database, but what do I know? I'll let everyone know how this comes out. APDA sure has a lot of problems, but it's good to know that someone cares about the situation. -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." baumgart@esquire.dpw.com | cmcl2!esquire!baumgart | - David Letterman
henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Henry C. Schmitt) (03/15/90)
In article <1848@esquire.UUCP> baumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) writes: >In article <1990Mar9.055910.1559@chinet.chi.il.us>, henry@chinet (Henry C. Schmitt) writes: >> [I gripe about problems with APDA] > >Well, sometimes griping in public gets results. Over the weekend I >got some mail from Phil Ostrom (OSTROM1@applelink.apple.com), the APDA >operations manager. He seemed quite sympathetic and concerned, and >promised to send me the latest APDAlog and the 1989 tech notes that I >paid for but never received. > I also got mail from Phil Ostrom with the same promise. It's nice to know that they're now watching the USENet News. I sent mail to APDA@applelink.apple.com and got a reply from Karen Walker (?) at the same time. However because my signature file didn't get included in my message, she didn't have my name so she sent me mail to ask what it was. So if you've been having problems with APDA, send them a message (or gripe about it here) and you get a reply. I'll be sure to post when the stuff arrives. -- H3nry C. Schmitt | CompuServe: 72275,1456 (Rarely) | GEnie: H.Schmitt (Occasionally) Royal Inn of Yoruba | UUCP: Henry@chinet.chi.il.us (Best Bet)
baumgart@esquire.dpw.com (Steve Baumgarten) (03/21/90)
In article <1848@esquire.UUCP>, baumgart@esquire (Steve Baumgarten) writes: >I'll let everyone know how this comes out. APDA sure has a lot of >problems, but it's good to know that someone cares about the >situation. The promised 1989 tech notes arrived last week. With the exception of June (which was backordered), they were all there. I didn't get the copy of APDAlog that Phil promised to send, but since I already have it that's just as well. So there may be some hope for APDA yet. Now let's just see if they remember to send me a renewal notice... -- Steve Baumgarten | "New York... when civilization falls apart, Davis Polk & Wardwell | remember, we were way ahead of you." baumgart@esquire.dpw.com | cmcl2!esquire!baumgart | - David Letterman
philip@Kermit.Stanford.EDU (Philip Machanick) (03/22/90)
Another item: I joined APDA a few weeks ago, mainly to get an upgraded Allegro Common Lisp (which I bought before Apple bought the company). All I received from Apple was the product itself, which turns out to be defective. If I hadn't been reading the net, I would have had to contact APDA myself to discover that a free replacement was due to me. Also, I did not receive APDALog, or any other documentation (e.g., how to order APDA products, or an invoice confirming that the cheque I sent was for the right amount). I wonder: could this kind of thing could put some people off? Philip Machanick philip@pescadero.stanford.edu