gt0228b@prism.gatech.EDU (FALCO,VINNIE) (05/31/90)
Here is what I have found out about the Sound Manager and about people
in general :
There is a big Word file describing the Sound Manager at Apple.com. I
just recently figured out that you can ftp Apple.com with account
'anonymous' and password 'guest', and I believe there are many other
Macintosh users on the net who do not know this. Since no one bothered
to tell me, I assume that everyone who DOES know thinks that everyone
in general knows (this must be false :)
As for the Sound Manager : I have not successfully been able to include
sounds into any of my programs without one of three things happening :
a) no sound at all is generated
b) the computer makes obnoxious clicks like an old Apple II
c) I hear my sound a few times, never asyncrhonously, and then
I receive a lame SYSTEM ERROR, and for some reason the
restart button *never* works, but just makes the video card insane.
All of my code has followed Inside Macintosh guidelines as well as
the Sound Manager addendum guidelines, but to no avail. In desperation
I have tried commands at random, trying to permute every possible combination
of Sound Manager calls, but this does not work.
Also, I am a little in the dark as to what sound hardware actually exists
in all post SE Macs. All I hear from Apple is that "The programs should not
be concerned with the sound hardware itself, but rather, deal with the
synthesizers instead, since the sound capabilites of the Macintosh are
likely to change". This is of course, the most ridiculous thing I have
every heard. If someone wrote a music program according to this, and
programmed in a
Bach Concerto in eight voices, poor Mac users would only hear four of the
voices!.
I would like to know if it is indeed possible to have four simultaneous
digitized sounds going on at the same time, and exactly what kind of
sound capabilities the Macintosh has. Studio Sessions, with some amazing
trick, allows SIX SIMULTANEOUS DIGITIZED VOICES!!! (!) Why the 32k limit
on instruments, I do not know. I also am wondering why I have not seen
a quality music program written as of late that uses 'snd ' resources
(so you can make your own instruments). Deluxe Music Construction Set
is by far the best program in terms of quality output and notation,
but has the lamest sounding instruments, and you cannot import 'snd '
resources into it.
There must be some facility to compose a tune using (at least four)
digitized sounds at once, and then in your program, start the song
(presumable while the user is saving the galaxy from space invaders,
or entering some dungeon or another) while the program continues.
SoundEdit, which is part of the software that comes with the Farallon
MacRecorder (an excellent device, cheap, and useful, since sounds
are like fonts and graphics on the Mac, that can be used in many places),
is an excellent program, so good that I have actually constructed
sounds from scratch by layering effect on effect and mixing in different
sine waves and their harmonic overtones. I am wondering what kind of
'snd' resource (type 1 or type 2) it produces, and how to use those
in a program, since it is by far the most useful.
If everyone who knew a few tidbits about the Sound Manager, the sound
hardware, and sound in general, would contribute a couple of scraps of
knowledge here and there, I would appreciate it very much.
T.I.V., Vingurney@cpsin2.uucp (Eddy J Gurney) (06/01/90)
In article <9972@hydra.gatech.EDU> FALCO,VINNIE writes: > ...As for the Sound Manager : I have not successfully been able to include > sounds into any of my programs without one of three things happening : > a) no sound at all is generated > b) the computer makes obnoxious clicks like an old Apple II > c) I hear my sound a few times, never asyncrhonously, and then > I receive a lame SYSTEM ERROR, and for some reason the > restart button *never* works, but just makes the video card insane. > > All of my code has followed Inside Macintosh guidelines as well as > the Sound Manager addendum guidelines, but to no avail. In desperation > I have tried commands at random, trying to permute every possible combination > of Sound Manager calls, but this does not work. > > Also, I am a little in the dark as to what sound hardware actually exists > in all post SE Macs. All I hear from Apple is that "The programs should not > be concerned with the sound hardware itself, but rather, deal with the > synthesizers instead, since the sound capabilites of the Macintosh are > likely to change". > > [stuff deleted] > > If everyone who knew a few tidbits about the Sound Manager, the sound > hardware, and sound in general, would contribute a couple of scraps of > knowledge here and there, I would appreciate it very much. Well, the stuff about not getting the Sound Manager to generate any sound at all sounds familiar. I can get same faint clicks and a system error every once in a while, but that's about it. How about some sample code (maybe from Mac DTS as SC-023 or whatever number they're up to?) that uses the three synthesizers documented in IM V. Personally, I'm interested in the WaveFormSynthesizer, with a simple SINE wave, and two channels of sound, so I can produce two tones simultaneously. Any comments, code (Think C :-) or ideas would be greatly appreciated. (I can't even find any source on any of the multitudes of anonmous FTP sites that have Mac stuff!) Back to trying to get my IIcx to beep... -- Eddy J. Gurney, N8FPW -- gurney@frith.egr.msu.edu OR 17158EJG@MSU.BITNET (reachable via uucp also)
mwilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Mark Wilkins) (06/01/90)
Mac DTS has created a sample application called SoundApp. Source for it is on the "Wanda" developer CD, but even if you don't have it you might be able to find someone who does. DTS folks: Any chance that SoundApp could be put into the normal Sample Code set so that it can be distributed more widely? -- Mark Wilkins -- "According to our contract, at precisely midnight of the night of her greatest triumph, the party of the first part, (that's you), agrees to render up her soul, now and forevermore, to the party of the second part. (That's me). Shall we go?"
gurney@cpsin2.uucp (Eddy J Gurney) (06/01/90)
In article <7355@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> mwilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Mark Wilkins) writes: > > Mac DTS has created a sample application called SoundApp. Source for it >is on the "Wanda" developer CD, but even if you don't have it you might be >able to find someone who does. > Could someone who has this CD mail me a binhex'd copy of it? It would be much appreciated. (And any other Sound Manager-related info that might be floating around.) Thanks... -- Eddy J. Gurney, N8FPW -- gurney@frith.egr.msu.edu OR 17158EJG@MSU.BITNET (reachable via uucp also)
keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) (06/02/90)
In article <7355@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> mwilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Mark Wilkins) writes: > > > Mac DTS has created a sample application called SoundApp. Source for it >is on the "Wanda" developer CD, but even if you don't have it you might be >able to find someone who does. > > DTS folks: Any chance that SoundApp could be put into the normal Sample >Code set so that it can be distributed more widely? Done. SoundApp was mailed 2 weeks ago to developers as part of the regular Sample Code series. It will appear in the DTS Sample code folders in future versions of the Developer Series CD. It should be on AppleLink in the DTS Sample Code folder, and should be on our ftp site by now. If not, then drop Mark Johnson a line at mjohnson@apple.com, and let him know that you're interested in seeing it at the ftp site. On second thought, that may not be such a good idea. I think that we ran out of disk space for the DTS information, and are working on getting more. Until then, we may not be able to put up the most recent technotes and sample code. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keith Rollin --- Apple Computer, Inc. --- Developer Technical Support INTERNET: keith@apple.com UUCP: {decwrl, hoptoad, nsc, sun, amdahl}!apple!keith "Argue for your Apple, and sure enough, it's yours" - Keith Rollin, Contusions
mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) (06/05/90)
In article <7355@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> mwilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Mark Wilkins) writes: > > > Mac DTS has created a sample application called SoundApp. Source for it >is on the "Wanda" developer CD, but even if you don't have it you might be >able to find someone who does. > > DTS folks: Any chance that SoundApp could be put into the normal Sample >Code set so that it can be distributed more widely? > If Keith has not already answered this, the answer is yes, it is in the May 1990 release. It will be available (along with lots of other updates) on the Apple FTP site as soon as we clear some more disk space. -- Mark B. Johnson AppleLink: mjohnson Developer Technical Support domain: mjohnson@Apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. UUCP: {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson "You gave your life to become the person you are right now. Was it worth it?" - Richard Bach, _One_