shite@unf7.UUCP (Stephen Hite) (06/28/90)
Subject says it all. I outlay this kinda cash (I have MPW C 3.1 bundle and beta MPW C++) and I get the bare minimum in documentation for SADE with no recourse such as buying a user's guide from APDA or a bookstore. I can't honestly say that SADE is a powerful debugging environment (although I suspect from what *is* there suggests that it can be) because it's development team did not take the time and effort to express it in words on paper in a well-organized and detailed manner. ----------------------------- Steve Hite ...gatech!uflorida!unf7!shite
cory@three.MV.COM (Cory Kempf) (07/01/90)
shite@unf7.UUCP (Stephen Hite) writes: > Subject says it all. I outlay this kinda cash (I have MPW C 3.1 bundle >and beta MPW C++) and I get the bare minimum in documentation for SADE with >no recourse such as buying a user's guide from APDA or a bookstore. > I can't honestly say that SADE is a powerful debugging environment >(although I suspect from what *is* there suggests that it can be) >because it's development team did not take the time and effort to >express it in words on paper in a well-organized and detailed manner. I have to agree. I was all excited when I first heard about SADE. I was expecting something with at least as much power/usability as the Think C debugger. Currently, SADE is last on my list of tools to use when I am trying to debug code. About the only thing that I can get it to do is allow me to single step through my C++ code. And what few variables it does allow me to look at seem to insist on coming up in pascal format (yes, it is a nit, but it IS an annoyance). I wonder if the folks at Think have though of enhancing their debugger to handle the SADE symbol output? and C++? If they do, (and are willing to make it a stand alone product) I'ld buy it. As it is, I am very disappointed with SADE, to the extent of considering shifting to the THINK environment if they ever get C++ (and accepting the loss of functionality that MPW provides). Unfortunately, since SADE is bundled in with MPW, I will probably be forced to purchase a worthless upgrade when I upgrade C++. Sigh. +C -- Cory Kempf I do speak for the company (sometimes). Three Letter Company 603 883 2474 email: cory@three.mv.com, harvard!zinn!three!cory
keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) (07/03/90)
In article <386@three.MV.COM> cory@three.MV.COM (Cory Kempf) writes: >shite@unf7.UUCP (Stephen Hite) writes: > >> Subject says it all. I outlay this kinda cash (I have MPW C 3.1 bundle >>and beta MPW C++) and I get the bare minimum in documentation for SADE with >>no recourse such as buying a user's guide from APDA or a bookstore. > >> I can't honestly say that SADE is a powerful debugging environment >>(although I suspect from what *is* there suggests that it can be) >>because it's development team did not take the time and effort to >>express it in words on paper in a well-organized and detailed manner. > >I have to agree. I was all excited when I first heard about SADE. I was >expecting something with at least as much power/usability as the Think C >debugger. Currently, SADE is last on my list of tools to use when I am >trying to debug code. About the only thing that I can get it to do is >allow me to single step through my C++ code. And what few variables it >does allow me to look at seem to insist on coming up in pascal format (yes, >it is a nit, but it IS an annoyance). > >I wonder if the folks at Think have though of enhancing their debugger >to handle the SADE symbol output? and C++? If they do, (and are willing >to make it a stand alone product) I'ld buy it. As it is, I am very >disappointed with SADE, to the extent of considering shifting to the >THINK environment if they ever get C++ (and accepting the loss of >functionality that MPW provides). Unfortunately, since SADE is bundled >in with MPW, I will probably be forced to purchase a worthless upgrade when >I upgrade C++. Sigh. I just wanted to let y'all know that we're working on a new SADE manual. There was just a review draft released internally, and it's very encouraging. There were even 2 Tutorial chapters: one for C and a similar one for Pascal. I find that I'm using SADE more and more, now that I know more about it. SADE is not bundled with MPW. Or rather, it is, but MPW and SADE can also be purchased separately from each other. I don't know when the manual will be out. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keith Rollin --- Apple Computer, Inc. --- Developer Technical Support INTERNET: keith@apple.com UUCP: {decwrl, hoptoad, nsc, sun, amdahl}!apple!keith "Argue for your Apple, and sure enough, it's yours" - Keith Rollin, Contusions
cory@three.MV.COM (Cory Kempf) (07/07/90)
keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) writes: >I just wanted to let y'all know that we're working on a new SADE >manual. There was just a review draft released internally, and it's >very encouraging. There were even 2 Tutorial chapters: one for C and a >similar one for Pascal. I find that I'm using SADE more and more, now >that I know more about it. But What About C++??!!!! I can get SADE to work OK with C (and I can live with the Pascal format output), but I have yet to be able to poke around inside the members of the classes that I create. Since I am programming in C++, this is critical. As it is, the only way I can do this (other than write some special code) is via Macsbug. Which is why I am very disapointed. SADE is supposed to work with the entire MPW language suite (at least that is how it was introduced to me) >SADE is not bundled with MPW. Or rather, it is, but MPW and SADE can also >be purchased separately from each other. Yes, I am aware that I can pay more to get MPW, C, C++, Asm., Et Al, seperately. >I don't know when the manual will be out. If a new manual can fix this, I will be glad to take back all of the bad things that I have said about SADE (even the things that I said while debugging C++ with it). I'm skeptical though. Is there some secret switch that allows me to work in C++? +C -- Cory Kempf I do speak for the company (sometimes). Three Letter Company 603 883 2474 email: cory@three.mv.com, harvard!zinn!three!cory
kaufman@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman) (07/08/90)
In article <389@three.MV.COM> cory@three.MV.COM (Cory Kempf) writes: >But What About C++??!!!! I can get SADE to work OK with C (and >I can live with the Pascal format output), but I have yet to be >able to poke around inside the members of the classes that I create. I think that "The Debugger" by Steve Jasik will let you do this. Marc Kaufman (kaufman@Neon.stanford.edu)