wlj1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Wayne L Jebian) (09/11/90)
Does anyone out there know where I can get a copy of Inside Mac VI (the new one). Is apple selling them? Thanks a lot!
tj@kona.cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) (09/11/90)
In article <1990Sep11.115901.7741@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> wlj1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Wayne L Jebian) writes: >Does anyone out there know where I can get a copy of >Inside Mac VI (the new one). Is apple selling them? > >Thanks a lot! As far as I know, Apple has not finalized Inside Mac VI. It's still being revised. A draft copy is available on the System 7.0a9 CD-ROM. Be prepared for a ton of printing (about 1500 pages). Tom -- Tom Johnson UCLA Computer Science Department 3413 Boelter Hall, Los Angeles CA 90024 (213)825-6952 Internet: tj@cs.ucla.edu
das@Apple.COM (David Shayer) (09/12/90)
The preliminary version of IM V6 should be available from APDA. It was handed out to all registered developers at the May developers conference. David
gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu (09/12/90)
------ In article <44701@apple.Apple.COM>, das@Apple.COM (David Shayer) writes... >The preliminary version of IM V6 should be available from APDA. >It was handed out to all registered developers at the May >developers conference. > >David Nope. Just called APDA and they said the IM VI was not available for purchase, but if I knew an Apple Partner I could get it from them. This seems kind of weenie. Preliminary docs were given to developers over a year ago. Surely IM VI can't include non-disclosure info, and the interfaces must be fairly finalized by now. The main reason to be an APDA member -- as opposed to buying thru Developer Tools Express or whatever -- is to get ahold of preliminary tools and information. IM VI would seem to be: a) in a sufficiently late stage of development (since System 7.0 is going to be out soon) to be released to interested developers who are not of Partner status, and b) of no small importance to those of us who wish to take advantage of System 7.0. It's fine by me if only Partners get hardware discounts, direct access to DTS (of course all us netters do too, thanks to hard-working DTS netfolk! :->), non-disclosure info, etc. It's not real cool if only they -- and not APDA members -- should get access to fairly important, fairly basic preliminary info. Hey, it's not _that_ big a deal, but as I said, it seems kind of weenie. Robert ============================================================================ = gft_robert@gsbacd.uchicago.edu * generic disclaimer: * "It's more fun to = = * all my opinions are * compute" = = * mine * -Kraftwerk = ============================================================================
rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) (09/12/90)
In article <44701@apple.Apple.COM> das@Apple.COM (David Shayer) writes: >The preliminary version of IM V6 should be available from APDA. >It was handed out to all registered developers at the May >developers conference. > >David Sorry, but Inside Macintosh Volume VI is NOT available from APDA. Inside Macintosh Volume VI has only been made available to Apple Partners, who were also seeded with the Alpha System 7.0 software. There are currently no plans to make Inside Macintosh Volume VI available through APDA before System 7.0 final ships. Rick Fleischman Developer Programs/APDA Apple Computer, Inc. e-mail: rickf@apple.com AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com
wlj1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Wayne L Jebian) (09/12/90)
Since we are flaming Apple, I'll light mine too. I WANT MY IM VI! Perhaps apple is loath to distribute a vaporware manual for it's vaporware system software? flame off. Seriously, though: Anyone willing to give out info on AppleEvents &c. is urged to mail me all they have. -Wayne President, Developers in the Dark.
das@Apple.COM (David Shayer) (09/12/90)
>Sorry, but Inside Macintosh Volume VI is NOT available from APDA.
Sorry, I'm wrong, you can't get IM 6 from APDA. Don't blame me for their
policies, I just work here.
Davidrc2o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Lee Chung) (09/13/90)
Inside Macintosh has not been released yet. I called the APDA and the
release date is not until January, which was supposivly announced about
a week ago. Sigh.
Rich
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______________________________________________________________________KPURCELL@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (09/14/90)
So what is in IM VI that us dweebs shouldn't see -- the Notification Manager. Does it relate to System 7.0 mostly or does it fill in all that has happened since IM V was published in 1988 (Mac IIx, SE/30, Portable, IIcx, IIci, IIfx). I'd rather have it in a book than to be forever playing with TNs. So what gives? 1500 pages of what? Kevin Purcell | kpurcell@liverpool.ac.uk Surface Science Centre | Liverpool University | Omit needless words.
wilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Mark Wilkins) (09/15/90)
In article <90256.234629KPURCELL@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> KPURCELL@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes: >So what is in IM VI that us dweebs shouldn't see -- the Notification >Manager. Does it relate to System 7.0 mostly or does it fill in all that >has happened since IM V was published in 1988 (Mac IIx, SE/30, Portable, >IIcx, IIci, IIfx). I'd rather have it in a book than to be forever >playing with TNs. > >So what gives? 1500 pages of what? 1500 pages of extremely mutable System 7 documentation, some of which contains code segments which are buggy and some of which information is just plain wrong. Not to mention that it doesn't even, at this point, contain documentation on some basic System 7 stuff like AppleEvents. -- Mark Wilkins
wilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Mark Wilkins) (09/15/90)
In article <8384@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> wilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (me) spouted off: > 1500 pages of extremely mutable System 7 documentation, some of which >contains code segments which are buggy and some of which information is just >plain wrong. Not to mention that it doesn't even, at this point, contain >documentation on some basic System 7 stuff like AppleEvents. > >-- Mark Wilkins In case I gave the wrong impression, Inside Mac VI is really a wonderful piece of documentation, especially the HyperCard version. I meant these not-so-positive comments to explain only why IM VI cannot be publicly released now even though the features of System 7 are extremely well known and not, in and of themselves, confidential. -- Mark Wilkins
ishtar@portia.Stanford.EDU (Chia-Ming Wang) (09/17/90)
Speaking of Mac Volumes, does anybody have a copy of Mac Tech Note 120 that they could e-mail to me (legally)? Thanks. -CMW ishtar@portia
KOFOID@cc.utah.edu (09/26/90)
Bernard Gallet's excellent DA "Inside Mac DA" has recently been brought up to date to include Vol.V. Is anybody working on a Vol.VI module? Quite frankly, I find this DA more useful than the printed volumes. Cheers, Eric. __________________________________________________________________ | Eric Kofoid; Dept. Biology, U. of Utah; SLC, UT 84112 | | (801) 581-3592 | | kofoid@bioscience.utah.edu | | | | -- The University of Utah is blameless for anything I've said -- | |__________________________________________________________________|
pierre@iti.org (Pierre Omidyar) (09/27/90)
rc2o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Lee Chung) writes: >Inside Macintosh has not been released yet. I called the APDA and the >release date is not until January, which was supposivly announced about >a week ago. Sigh. Certified developers have received early drafts of IM VI in HyperCard stack form on a variety of Developer CD's. I'm not sure what Apple's restrictions on its distribution are, but you could probably find someone who would let you take a peek... -- Pierre Omidyar {ames,apple,portal,sun,voder}!claris!pierre Claris Corporation pierre@claris.com Opinions are mine and not Claris'
KOFOID@cc.utah.edu (09/28/90)
I'm afraid that I lied. My version of InsideMac DA is only current through vol.IV, not V as I had stated yesterday. Sorry about the confusion. The question is the same, however: Is anyone working on a version incorporating the new material? Cheers, Eric. __________________________________________________________________ | Eric Kofoid; Dept. Biology, U. of Utah; SLC, UT 84112 | | (801) 581-3592 | | kofoid@bioscience.utah.edu | | | | -- The University of Utah is blameless for anything I've said -- | |__________________________________________________________________|
cory@howtek.UUCP (Cory Kempf) (10/03/90)
In article <95795@cc.utah.edu> KOFOID@cc.utah.edu writes: >Bernard Gallet's excellent DA "Inside Mac DA" has recently been brought >up to date to include Vol.V. Is anybody working on a Vol.VI module? Quite >frankly, I find this DA more useful than the printed volumes. Apple has a new feature in MPW currently called "411". It gives access from within MPW to Inside Mac I-VI, Technotes, & MacApp Docs. You can do keyword searches, or it will show you what is defined for a particular header file. It will also insert the form of a function call into your code for you. The only problem is that it needs about 13 MB of disk space. Other than that, very nicely done. It is available only via the ETO disk (via APDA) +C