dbw@cup.portal.com (Dale B Walker) (02/26/91)
Does anyone know when the developers Conference will be? Dale
aruigrok@bnr.ca (Adrian C Ruigrok) (02/28/91)
In article <39583@cup.portal.com> dbw@cup.portal.com (Dale B Walker) writes: >Does anyone know when the developers Conference will be? > They tell me May 13-17th. Registration is Sunday the 12th. Funny, isn't that the same time someone told me MacLeek claims 7.0 final is to be released? I am already booked into the hotel, so I hope they don't change it. Adrian
blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) (02/28/91)
aruigrok@bnr.ca (Adrian C Ruigrok) writes: >In article <39583@cup.portal.com> dbw@cup.portal.com (Dale B Walker) writes: >>Does anyone know when the developers Conference will be? >They tell me May 13-17th. Registration is Sunday the 12th. Funny, >isn't that the same time someone told me MacLeek claims 7.0 final is to >be released? I am already booked into the hotel, so I hope they don't >change it. We won't change the developer's conference. Do you have any idea of the magnitude of effort necessary to bring that many people into one place at one time? --Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com "My opinion, not Apple's"
lemke@radius.com (Steve Lemke) (03/09/91)
blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) writes: }aruigrok@bnr.ca (Adrian C Ruigrok) writes: } }>They tell me May 13-17th. Registration is Sunday the 12th. } }We won't change the developer's conference. Do you have any idea of the }magnitude of effort necessary to bring that many people into one place }at one time? }--Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com "My opinion, not Apple's" Am I the only person who found it rather odd that that big (expensive?) color poster that just came to everyone in our engineering deparment said nothing more than _when_ the conference is? The most amusing part is that it has a registration form, on which you can select the days you wish to attend. _HOWEVER_, _NOWHERE_ on that big poster did it indicate _ANYTHING_ about _WHAT_ the agenda was for each day! Should I guess? "Gee, last year I went on Monday and Wednesday, so maybe this year I'll go Tuesday and Friday?" We generally don't send a whole bunch of people there for the whole week (since we're based in San Jose) since not every day has something interesting to offer every engineer. Hopefully there's a more meaningful brochure / registration form coming soon... The color poster was kind of silly. --Steve -- ----- Steve Lemke, KC6QDT - Software Engineering, Radius Inc., San Jose ----- ----- Reply to: lemke@radius.com -- U.C. Santa Barbara ECE Class of '89 ----- ----- "I'm not a UNIX wizard, but I play the Postmaster at radius.com." -----
ksand@Apple.COM (Kent Sandvik) (03/10/91)
In article <1417@radius.com> lemke@radius.com (Steve Lemke) writes: >Am I the only person who found it rather odd that that big (expensive?) >color poster that just came to everyone in our engineering deparment said >nothing more than _when_ the conference is? The most amusing part is that >it has a registration form, on which you can select the days you wish to >attend. _HOWEVER_, _NOWHERE_ on that big poster did it indicate _ANYTHING_ >about _WHAT_ the agenda was for each day! Well, it's hard to lock down the definite agenda for the whole WWDF conference a long time before. For your information there is a preliminary agenda, and each group assigned to activities in each technical area had meetings last week discussing the topics that will be presented during the conference. So even if we can't make the definite agenda long time before, it's also positive that we are able to fine tune the topics, so for instance issues that are very actual could be presented during the conference. I'm sure there's going to be more information agout the conference topics soon. Regards, Kent Sandvik, MacDTS/Apple -- Disclaimer: Private and personal activities on USENET, non-company sponsored
lemke@radius.com (Steve Lemke) (03/12/91)
In article <1417@radius.com> I originally wrote: >>Am I the only person who found it rather odd that that big (expensive?) >>color poster that just came to everyone in our engineering deparment said >>nothing more than _when_ the conference is? The most amusing part is that >>it has a registration form, on which you can select the days you wish to >>attend. _HOWEVER_, _NOWHERE_ on that big poster did it indicate _ANYTHING_ >>about _WHAT_ the agenda was for each day! to which ksand@Apple.COM (Kent Sandvik) responded: >Well, it's hard to lock down the definite agenda for the whole WWDF >conference a long time before.... > >I'm sure there's going to be more information agout the conference >topics soon. I understand it's hard to nail it down, but it seems that the poster (and the attached registration form) really only benefits people who plan on attending the whole conference. I was merely poking fun at the checkboxes on the form for "which day(s) you wish to attend" since I have nothing (yet) on which to base a decision of which days I plan to attend. In addition, we received several of these posters (probably one for every person who attended last year), and nobody really payed any attention to them for the exact reason I mentioned. Thus we'll wait until something arrives telling us which days we'll want to sign up for. Oh well. --Steve -- ----- Steve Lemke, KC6QDT - Software Engineering, Radius Inc., San Jose ----- ----- Reply to: lemke@radius.com -- U.C. Santa Barbara ECE Class of '89 ----- ----- "I'm not a UNIX wizard, but I play the Postmaster at radius.com." -----
andrew@jhereg.osa.com (Andrew C. Esh) (03/13/91)
In article <1417@radius.com> lemke@radius.com (Steve Lemke) writes: >blob@Apple.COM (Brian Bechtel) writes: > >}aruigrok@bnr.ca (Adrian C Ruigrok) writes: >} >}>They tell me May 13-17th. Registration is Sunday the 12th. >} >}We won't change the developer's conference. Do you have any idea of the >}magnitude of effort necessary to bring that many people into one place >}at one time? > >}--Brian Bechtel blob@apple.com "My opinion, not Apple's" > >Am I the only person who found it rather odd that that big (expensive?) >color poster that just came to everyone in our engineering deparment said >nothing more than _when_ the conference is? The most amusing part is that >it has a registration form, on which you can select the days you wish to >attend. _HOWEVER_, _NOWHERE_ on that big poster did it indicate _ANYTHING_ >about _WHAT_ the agenda was for each day! > >Hopefully there's a more meaningful brochure / registration form coming >soon... The color poster was kind of silly. > >--Steve I think they did it to get us to do exactly what you are doing: Run around and ask everyone else what the deal is. You are providing advertising, and you are targeting just the sort of people they want to reach. Nice trick. -- Andrew C. Esh andrew@osa.com Open Systems Architects, Inc. Minneapolis, MN 55416-1528 So much System, (612) 525-0000 so little CPU time...
bobert@Autodesk.COM (Robert Murphy) (03/14/91)
In article <50060@apple.Apple.COM> ksand@Apple.COM (Kent Sandvik) writes: >Well, it's hard to lock down the definite agenda for the whole WWDF >conference a long time before. For your information there is a preliminary >agenda, and each group assigned to activities in each technical area >had meetings last week discussing the topics that will be presented >during the conference. > >So even if we can't make the definite agenda long time before, it's >also positive that we are able to fine tune the topics, so for instance >issues that are very actual could be presented during the conference. > >I'm sure there's going to be more information agout the conference >topics soon. > >Regards, >Kent Sandvik, MacDTS/Apple > >-- >Disclaimer: Private and personal activities on USENET, non-company sponsored It would be a big help if Apple would give some indication of the daily agenda of the WWDC before the late-fee date. Last year, I attended no sessions two of the five days of the WWDC because nothing of interest to me was going on. My experience the previous year was similar. Had I known at the time I registered, I could have saved my company about $300 per day on registration fees, hotel rooms, and so on. Fortunately, my company has enough money for this kind of thing. Not everyone does. For example, this year, my girlfriend (a neophyte Mac programmer) wants to attend - but since this would come out of our pockets, we won't send in her registration until we see an agenda. If this means she doesn't go, so be it. I understand how hard it is to come up with an agenda in a fast-changing industry months before an event. However, some kind of guide would be a big help. While I'm at it, let me lobby for my favorite WWDC proposed feature: a technical fast track. I swear, all of the technical information presented in five days at the WWDC could be presented in two days if the presenters didn't stop to explain things for the neophytes and marketers in the crowd. It would eliminate the 90% boredom factor I've experienced the last two years. Bob Murphy bobert@autodesk.com
ech@cbnewsk.att.com (ned.horvath) (03/14/91)
In article <1417@radius.com> lemke@radius.com (Steve Lemke) writes: >Am I the only person who found it rather odd that that big (expensive?) >color poster that just came to everyone in our engineering deparment said >nothing more than _when_ the conference is? The most amusing part is that >it has a registration form, on which you can select the days you wish to >attend. _HOWEVER_, _NOWHERE_ on that big poster did it indicate _ANYTHING_ >about _WHAT_ the agenda was for each day! From article <1991Mar13.154807.18869@jhereg.osa.com>, by andrew@jhereg.osa.com (Andrew C. Esh): > I think they did it to get us to do exactly what you are doing: Run around > and ask everyone else what the deal is. You are providing advertising, and > you are targeting just the sort of people they want to reach. Nice trick. Never attribute to malevolence (or diabolical cleverness) that which can be explained by simple incompetence... In this case, it isn't even incompetence. Imagine you're in charge of organizing this conference. You have to book the hall, circuses, Dominos, and Harry Anderson months in advance. You have to go around to all the PMs and engineers at Apple, ask them what's REALLY going to ship by then and who's going to present what, and how it ties in with everything else, find out what morning Scully will not be golfing so he can do a keynote, and you have to have all that info be as current as possible. And you have to accurately publish it to 2000+ developers 60 days before the conference. And it all has to be true at the time of the conference. I submit that this is a logistical impossibility. Fortunately, it doesn't matter. The appropriate strategy if you're local is to book the first two days, when all the way-cool stuff is announced, and pool your money with two other people to book a total of one day each of W-Th-F. Swap badges appropriately when the real schedule comes out Monday night :-). Everybody gets to go to the Friday party anyway. If you aren't local, it costs you close to $1K to attend just one day (airfare is more or less constant from anywhere in the USA, plus two nights in a hotel), so you might as well spend the $2K and buy the whole package. Your mileage may vary depending on how much driving you can do without sleep and whether you are willing to sleep in the back seat... =Ned Horvath=
d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) (03/15/91)
In article <3332@autodesk.COM> bobert@Autodesk.COM (Robert Murphy) writes:
While I'm at it, let me lobby for my favorite WWDC proposed feature:
a technical fast track. I swear, all of the technical information
presented in five days at the WWDC could be presented in two days if
the presenters didn't stop to explain things for the neophytes and
Hear ! Hear ! Once in a while, the net spouts a brilliant idea.
This is definately one of them. (Even though I wasn't there last
year, I will be now, and I'm generally familiar with the feeling
he describes...)
h+@nada.kth.se
Jon W{tte
--
"The IM-IV file manager chapter documents zillions of calls, all of which
seem to do almost the same thing and none of which seem to do what I want
them to do." -- Juri Munkki in comp.sys.mac.programmerksand@Apple.COM (Kent Sandvik) (03/15/91)
In article <3332@autodesk.COM> bobert@Autodesk.COM (Robert Murphy) writes: >It would be a big help if Apple would give some indication of the daily >agenda of the WWDC before the late-fee date. ... >I understand how hard it is to come up with an agenda in a fast-changing >industry months before an event. However, some kind of guide would be a >big help. These comments about a missing final agenda are valid ones (I would personally complain), so I will try to push the WWDC arrangers so they could present some kind of an agenda RSN. >While I'm at it, let me lobby for my favorite WWDC proposed feature: >a technical fast track. I swear, all of the technical information >presented in five days at the WWDC could be presented in two days if >the presenters didn't stop to explain things for the neophytes and >marketers in the crowd. It would eliminate the 90% boredom factor I've >experienced the last two years. Don't know about the other sessions, but our two C++ sessions will be no-fluff-marketing-talk, pure technical hacking discussion/presentation sessions. Regards, Kent Sandvik, MacDTS Disclaimer: Personal activity on USENET, don't send Apple flame emails to me!!!
lemke@radius.com (Steve Lemke) (03/20/91)
d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes: }In article <3332@autodesk.COM> bobert@Autodesk.COM (Robert Murphy) writes: } } While I'm at it, let me lobby for my favorite WWDC proposed feature: } a technical fast track. I swear, all of the technical information } presented in five days at the WWDC could be presented in two days if } the presenters didn't stop to explain things for the neophytes and } }Hear ! Hear ! Once in a while, the net spouts a brilliant idea. }This is definately one of them. (Even though I wasn't there last }year, I will be now, and I'm generally familiar with the feeling }he describes...) Nah, it's probably too late for them to plan a fast track... :-) :-) :-) -- ----- Steve Lemke, KC6QDT - Software Engineering, Radius Inc., San Jose ----- ----- Reply to: lemke@radius.com -- U.C. Santa Barbara ECE Class of '89 ----- ----- "I'm not a UNIX wizard, but I play the Postmaster at radius.com." -----
keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) (03/20/91)
In article <1422@radius.com> lemke@radius.com (Steve Lemke) writes: >d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes: > >}In article <3332@autodesk.COM> bobert@Autodesk.COM (Robert Murphy) writes: >} >} While I'm at it, let me lobby for my favorite WWDC proposed feature: >} a technical fast track. I swear, all of the technical information >} presented in five days at the WWDC could be presented in two days if >} the presenters didn't stop to explain things for the neophytes and >} >}Hear ! Hear ! Once in a while, the net spouts a brilliant idea. >}This is definately one of them. (Even though I wasn't there last >}year, I will be now, and I'm generally familiar with the feeling >}he describes...) > >Nah, it's probably too late for them to plan a fast track... :-) :-) :-) I talked to the person in charge of the WWDC concerning Robert's idea. She thought it was a good one, and she'll think about it for next year. For this year, she wanted to point out that the tracks will be marked with expertise levels, and that novice questions in expert level sessions would be discouraged. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keith Rollin --- Apple Computer, Inc. INTERNET: keith@apple.com UUCP: {decwrl, hoptoad, nsc, sun, amdahl}!apple!keith "But where the senses fail us, reason must step in." - Galileo
ksand@Apple.COM (Kent Sandvik) (03/21/91)
In article <50503@apple.Apple.COM> keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin) writes: >>Nah, it's probably too late for them to plan a fast track... :-) :-) :-) >I talked to the person in charge of the WWDC concerning Robert's idea. >She thought it was a good one, and she'll think about it for next >year. For this year, she wanted to point out that the tracks will be >marked with expertise levels, and that novice questions in expert level >sessions would be discouraged. FYI, I've been twice involved in arranging a smaller DC in Australia, and both times I pushed for a technoid-stream that would have highly technical material during the three days. Both times *feedback* from developers said that they did not like the idea. I think it has to do with the size of the company, big companies send a lot of people to the Dev Conference, and the technoids want to hear tech talk only, and the marketing people want to hear about marketing. With small companies the person that will attend the DC is both a marketing person and technical lead, and maybe he/she is sent to the DC in order to gain as much marketing and technical information as possible. In Australia many of the companies were small, so we could not launch a technical stream only because the same people did not want to miss marketing sessions. This was the reason we had two half days dedicated to marketing talks only, and technoids could spend their time hacking or playing pinball. Anyway, I also support the idea of a technical stream in the next year's WWDC, but I just wanted to point out that many will attend the WWDC for marketing information as well. Another idea that we are maybe testing out this or next year is the concept of "Birds of a Feather" sessions - those who have attended USENIX conferences knows about the session type. I'm not sure yet about the outcome, but one idea is to have one about C++/OOPS programming. Anyway BoFs are very informal, and information about those are usually provided at the conference. And if you're really bored with the marketing blurb talks, get over to the MacDTS room :-). Regards, Kent Sandvik -- Disclaimer: Private activity on the Net, in no way connected to any company. Zippy++ says: END, END; or END. is sure clearer than "}".