rensing@pixel.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul Rensing) (03/21/91)
Does anyone out there have any experience, good or bad, with the fairly recent port of GNU GCC to MPW? I am unhappy with Think C and am contemplating getting MPW; however $400 to the MPW/C bundle seems a bit rich for me. Please send replies by e-mail. I will post a summary if I getting any useful info. Paul Rensing
py198723@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Eugenio Sanchez Pe~a) (03/21/91)
rensing@pixel.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Paul Rensing) writes: >Does anyone out there have any experience, good or bad, with the >fairly recent port of GNU GCC to MPW? The GNU project has as a deadline not to develop anything for the Macintosh, since Apple is claiming exclusive rights for their look-and-feel interface. Perhaps someone took the front-end sources and made his own C compiler, but it shouldn't be named 'GCC'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eugenio Sanchez | Todo lo que diga es responsabilidad de la py198723@academ01.mty.itesm.mx | unica neurona que tengo trabajando. jsanchez@roxette.mty.itesm.mx | 'Si os dan papel pautado, escribid por el jsanchez@foreigner.mty.itesm.mx | otro lado' - J. Ramon Jimenez py198723@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx | All opinions r mine; I try to be original. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
time (Tim Endres) (03/21/91)
In article <3101@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx>, py198723@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Eugenio Sanchez Pe~a) writes: > The GNU project has as a deadline not to develop anything for the > Macintosh, since Apple is claiming exclusive rights for their look-and-feel > interface. Perhaps someone took the front-end sources and made his own > C compiler, but it shouldn't be named 'GCC'. No. Someone took the gcc compiler and ported it to MPW. It is gcc. Check the source license. By GNU's very own manifesto and license, the port is allowed. GNU simply refuses to exhaust any of *its* valuable resources doing this work. Thus, the MPW gcc work is somewhat of an orphan in that GNU will neither support nor redistribute it. ------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Endres | time@ice.com ICE Engineering | uupsi!ice.com!time 8840 Main Street | Voice FAX Whitmore Lake MI. 48189 | (313) 449 8288 (313) 449 9208
dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) (03/22/91)
I've looked at gcc for MPW. It's a drop-in replacement for the C compiler; You still need the C glue and libraries, so it won't save you any money. As I recall, the dox claim 15-20% speed improvement in generated code. Impressive, until you consider that most apps spend much of their time in ROM anyway, where which C compiler you use is no more relevant that your shoe size. I've hesitated to use it because it isn't SADE-compatible, and about the last thing I need is a different compiler for debugging than for production. I have a lot of confidence in gcc, but not THAT much. Now, if someone were to port gdb, I'd switch to gcc/gdb in a big hurry. -- Steve Dorner, U of Illinois Computing Services Office Internet: s-dorner@uiuc.edu UUCP: uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!s-dorner
jeffh@HyperMail.apple.com (Jeff Holcomb) (03/22/91)
In article <3101@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx>, py198723@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Eugenio Sanchez Pe~a) writes: > > The GNU project has as a deadline not to develop anything for the > Macintosh, since Apple is claiming exclusive rights for their look-and-feel > interface. Perhaps someone took the front-end sources and made his own > C compiler, but it shouldn't be named 'GCC'. FYI, as part of a research project within ATG at Apple, Stan Shebs ported GCC to MPW. As a result, MPW GCC is now available via anonymous ftp from apple.com or from anybody else that has a copy. It is not an "official Apple product", though if you have questions or problems, you can direct them to mpwgcc@apple.com and we'll try to answer them or solve them when we have time. ------------ Jeff Holcomb Apple ATG System Software jeffh@HyperMail.apple.com
Lawson.English@p88.f15.n300.z1.fidonet.org (Lawson English) (03/22/91)
Eugenio Sanchez Pe~a writes in a message to All >Does anyone out there have any experience, good or bad, with the >fairly recent port of GNU GCC to MPW? ESP> The GNU project has as a deadline not to develop anything for ESP> the Macintosh, since Apple is claiming exclusive rights for their ESP> look-and-feel interface. Perhaps someone took the front-end sources ESP> and made his own C compiler, but it shouldn't be named 'GCC'. Aw... Does someone resent the idea that it might be illegal to make use of 7 years of work and zillions of dollars of R&D without paying for it? Poor babies... (includes most of the computer industry I'm afraid... but then again, how many programmers are also artists? "Source code should be copy-right-able but not ICONs or User-Interface attributes" (Get real, oh wondrous members of the ACM --artists have rights and abilities too, and their work for a company deserves equal protection under the Law)) Lawson -- Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!asuvax!stjhmc!300!15.88!Lawson.English Internet: Lawson.English@p88.f15.n300.z1.fidonet.org
esink@turia.dit.upm.es (Eric Wayne Sink) (03/26/91)
In article <1991Mar21.174731.29262@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) writes: >I've looked at gcc for MPW. It's a drop-in replacement for the C >compiler; You still need the C glue and libraries, so it won't save >you any money. Is it not true that APDA sells the interfaces and libraries for MPW as a separate product (for a LOT less than MPW C) ? Eric Eric W. Sink | Putting the phrase |All opinions Departamento de Telematica | "Frequently Asked" |are mine and Universidad Politecnica de Madrid| in your kill file is |not necessarily esink@turia.dit.upm.es | not recommended. |yours.
jordan@Apple.COM (Jordan Mattson) (03/27/91)
Dear Eric - You are correct that the MPW Interfaces and Libraries are available as a seprate product from APDA. In this package you will find the Assembler, C, and Pascal interfaces and libraries needed to access the Macintosh Toolbox. Jordan -- Jordan Mattson UUCP: jordan@apple.apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. CSNET: jordan@apple.CSNET Development Tools Product Management AppleLink: Mattson1 20400 Stevens Creek Blvd, MS 75-8X Cupertino, CA 95014 408-974-4601 "Joy is the serious business of heaven." C.S. Lewis