TAS120@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Safra) (04/23/91)
After using system 7.0 my hard drive was modified to work with the nwe system
software. After trying to run norton utilites I got the message, Norton util
unable to examine this disk, it has been used with system 7.0 . Next I
proceeded to examine and then delete the invisible files that System 7.0 had
created on the desktop hoping this would get rid of the problem/markers that
let Norton know that I had been using system 7.0 Help! It didn't work, what
can I do, and what modifications (that I see no signs of) has system 7.0
actually done to my HD? Is there anything I can do to get Norton to run again?
Toddpejacoby@mmm.serc.3m.com (Paul E. Jacoby) (04/23/91)
In article <91113.023017TAS120@psuvm.psu.edu> TAS120@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Safra) writes: >After using system 7.0 my hard drive was modified to work with the nwe system >software. After trying to run norton utilites I got the message, Norton util >unable to examine this disk, it has been used with system 7.0 . Next I [deleting Desktop DB and Desktop DF files didn't help] The Norton utilities don't appear to like the changes made to the BOOT BLOCKS when you install System 7.0. There is a program called BootBlock Writer which can be used to re-install a set of 6.0.x boot blocks. I have used this successfully to 'undo' an install of 7.0b4. Norton works fine with that drive now. -- .--------------------------------------------------------------------. | Paul Jacoby, 3M Company | Parachuting? Why jump out of a | | ** pejacoby@3m.com ** | perfectly good airplane? | `--------------------------------------------------------------------'
dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Race Bannon) (04/24/91)
TAS120@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Safra) writes: >After using system 7.0 my hard drive was modified to work with the nwe system >software. After trying to run norton utilites I got the message, Norton util >unable to examine this disk, it has been used with system 7.0 . Next I >proceeded to examine and then delete the invisible files that System 7.0 had >created on the desktop hoping this would get rid of the problem/markers that >let Norton know that I had been using system 7.0 Help! It didn't work, what >can I do, and what modifications (that I see no signs of) has system 7.0 >actually done to my HD? Is there anything I can do to get Norton to run again? > Todd Norton 1.0 DOES NOT and WILL NOT work. The reason Apple doesn't release System software to the general public until its finished is to keep it out of the hands of whiners like you. When Sys7 is officially released, there will be a version of Norton that works with it. Until then, you'll have to live without it. Do you realize that if you HAD tricked Norton into running on your modified disk, you would have probably lost everything? The directory structure is completely different. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Dan Walkowski | To understand recursion, Univ. of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci. | you must first understand recursion. walkowsk@cs.uiuc.edu |
MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) (04/24/91)
pejacoby@mmm.serc.3m.com (Paul E. Jacoby) writes: >The Norton utilities don't appear to like the changes made to the >BOOT BLOCKS when you install System 7.0. There is a program called >BootBlock Writer which can be used to re-install a set of 6.0.x boot >blocks. I have used this successfully to 'undo' an install of 7.0b4. >Norton works fine with that drive now. NDD 1.0 does not know about alias records. If you have created aliases on a volume, nothing short of reinitialization will make NDD 1.0 happy with it. dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Race Bannon) writes: >When Sys7 is officially released, there will be a version of Norton >that works with it. Until then, you'll have to live without it. Do >you realize that if you HAD tricked Norton into running on your >modified disk, you would have probably lost everything? The >directory structure is completely different. That is a gross exaggeration. To my knowledge, the only thing that was added to HFS data structures on disk are alias records, which are ignored by previous version of HFS. If the the directory structure were "completely different" 6.x-and-earlier systems would hardly be able read 7.0 volumes. ______________________________________________________________________ Stephan Somogyi Sleep is a luxury. MacUser
siegel@world.std.com (Rich Siegel) (04/24/91)
In article <41593@cup.portal.com> MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi) writes: > >NDD 1.0 does not know about alias records. If you have created aliases >on a volume, nothing short of reinitialization will make NDD 1.0 happy >with it. If you hold down the Option key while clicking "OK" to the "This disk has been used with System 7.0...." alert, NDD will continue with the diagnosis, with no ill effects. This is not suggested as a fix to the problem, but merely as a temporary workaround until a fully System 7.0- compatible version of the Norton Utilities package is released. R. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rich Siegel Internet: siegel@world.std.com Software Engineer Applelink: SIEGEL Symantec Languages Group
ralph@cm.cf.ac.uk (Ralph Martin) (04/24/91)
In article <1991Apr23.184657.11559@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dawg6844@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Race Bannon) writes: >TAS120@psuvm.psu.edu (Todd Safra) writes: > >>After using system 7.0 my hard drive was modified to work with the nwe system >>software. After trying to run norton utilites I got the message, Norton util >>unable to examine this disk, it has been used with system 7.0 ... [Stuff Deleted] > >> Todd > >Norton 1.0 DOES NOT and WILL NOT work. The reason Apple doesn't release >System software to the general public until its finished is to keep it out >of the hands of whiners like you. > >When Sys7 is officially released, there will be a version of Norton that works >with it. Until then, you'll have to live without it. Do you realize that if >you HAD tricked Norton into running on your modified disk, you would have >probably lost everything? The directory structure is completely different. This last remark is UTTER rubbish. The directory structure is different, but not COMPLETELY different. If when you get the dialog about Norton not working with System 7, instead of clicking OK, you option-click ok, Norton will continue, apparently doing a "best effort" at repair. (This is from my own experience - NOT as told to me by Norton). I have in fact used this successfully to fix a disk which one of the beta releases of 7.0 had munged, at least to the point of being able to recover the files I had been working on since my last backup. Of course, you did read and act on the stuff in the beta docs about backing up your data, didn't you?....:-) Ralph