kenh@eclectic.COM (Ken Hancock) (05/28/91)
In article <2855@public.BTR.COM> brecher@public.BTR.COM (Steve Brecher) writes: >The default behavior of the Font Manager is to use a bitmap if it is >available for the specified size; this default can be overridden by the >application. Especially in smaller sizes, bitmaps will often look better. >E.g., Adobe's Helvetica 7 bitmap is much nicer than TrueType's rendering >of Helvetica 7. This brings up a related bug in the Mac OS. Say you have Times 50 point installed as well as Times Roman, Italic, Bold, and BI TrueType installed as well. Type some text in 50 point, then italicize it. What you get is QuickDrawed italics, not real Times Italic font. I assume that this is because Apple uses the braindead _RealFont. Seriously, Apple, isn't it time to create a toolbox utility for telling whether high-quality fonts are available? OutlineAvailable is nice, but you have to first set outline prefs to false, setup a grafport, call OutlineAvailable, and then set outline prefs back. Talk about a hack... Ken -- Ken Hancock | INTERNET: kenh@eclectic.com Isle Systems | Compuserve: >INTERNET: kenh@eclectic.com Macintosh Consulting | AOL: KHancock | Disclaimer: My opinions are mine, | your opinions are yours. Simple, isn't it?
espen@ikaros.uio.no (Espen J. Vestre) (05/29/91)
References:<1991May21.232030.23869@ecst.csuchico.edu> <2855@public.BTR.COM> <189@eclectic.COM> In article <189@eclectic.COM> kenh@eclectic.COM (Ken Hancock) writes: > This brings up a related bug in the Mac OS. Say you have Times 50 point > installed as well as Times Roman, Italic, Bold, and BI TrueType installed > as well. Type some text in 50 point, then italicize it. What you get > is QuickDrawed italics, not real Times Italic font. I assume that > this is because Apple uses the braindead _RealFont. This is a really annoying bug, not for exotic sizes like 50 points, but for the standard sizes where the installer by default installs bitmap fonts for you. Does this mean I have to throw out all the bitmap versions of e.g. Times to get access to the Times TrueType Italics fonts? It was also annoying that the Installer replaced my (Adobe bitmap) Palatino fonts, which also made Palatino Italics show up as QuickDraw-slanted Palatino. Guess I'll throw them away and put back the Adobe version. On the other hand, I notice that Helvetica Narrow works again (it stopped working with the introduction of Sys. 6.0.4!), which means I don't have to reboot the machine with 6.0.3 to get some old documents with Helvetica Narrow in their graphichs printed!! BUT, what I really would like would be TrueType versions of all the standard LaserWriter fonts. Do I have to BUY them? Why don't Apple supply real screen support for the fonts that are in their printers?? Anyway - is there a way I could do this by myself - extract the fonts out of the printer and convert them to TrueType? ----------------------------------------- Espen J. Vestre Department of Mathematics University of Oslo P.o. Box 1053 Blindern N-0316 OSLO 3 NORWAY espen@ikaros.uio.no -----------------------------------------
dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) (05/29/91)
Espen J. Vestre writes: >standard LaserWriter fonts. Do I have to BUY them? Why don't Apple >supply real screen support for the fonts that are in their printers?? Because the fonts in Apple's printers are owned by Adobe, and licensed for use in LW's. Apple can't use those fonts outside the LW's without paying additional licensing fees to Adobe. Avoidance of those licensing fees is the only substantial reason I can see for TrueType to exist at all. Basically, you have to wait for Apple to recreate those fonts in TrueType form. (Or buy ATM and the Plus Pack, and be done with it.) -- Steve Dorner, U of Illinois Computing Services Office Internet: s-dorner@uiuc.edu UUCP: uunet!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!s-dorner
Lawson.English@p88.f15.n300.z1.fidonet.org (Lawson English) (05/30/91)
Steve Dorner writes in a message to All
SD> Basically, you have to wait for Apple to recreate those fonts
SD> in TrueType form. (Or buy ATM and the Plus Pack, and be done
SD> with it.)
There are also PostScript to TrueType converters available for about $90 mail-order.
Lawson
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Internet: Lawson.English@p88.f15.n300.z1.fidonet.orgdraphsor@elaine39.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) (06/01/91)
espen@ikaros.uio.no (Espen J. Vestre) writes: >References:<1991May21.232030.23869@ecst.csuchico.edu> <2855@public.BTR.COM> <189@eclectic.COM> >In article <189@eclectic.COM> kenh@eclectic.COM (Ken Hancock) writes: >> This brings up a related bug in the Mac OS. Say you have Times 50 point >> installed as well as Times Roman, Italic, Bold, and BI TrueType installed >> as well. Type some text in 50 point, then italicize it. What you get >> is QuickDrawed italics, not real Times Italic font. I assume that >> this is because Apple uses the braindead _RealFont. >This is a really annoying bug, not for exotic sizes like 50 points, but >for the standard sizes where the installer by default installs bitmap >fonts for you. Does this mean I have to throw out all the bitmap >versions of e.g. Times to get access to the Times TrueType Italics fonts? Well, not precisely. It means that to get good-looking screen fonts, you have to download a neat little program from sumex-aim called bitfont. You can then use this program to create italicized bitmaps in your favorite sizes from the TrueType fonts themselves. However, make sure you remove the bitmaps from your system before doing this, or bitfont also will find the bitmaps first. After you've created your italicized bitfonts, you can replace both bitmap fonts. Thanks go to Chang.P.Woo@mac.dartmouth.edu for pointing out that you have to remove the bitmapped 'straight' version before making the italic version using bitfont. >Espen J. Vestre >Department of Mathematics >University of Oslo >P.o. Box 1053 Blindern >N-0316 OSLO 3 >NORWAY espen@ikaros.uio.no -- Draphsor vo'drun-Aelf draphsor@leland.stanford.edu
draphsor@elaine39.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) (06/02/91)
draphsor@elaine39.Stanford.EDU (that's me) writes: > ...to get good-looking screen fonts, you >have to download a neat little program from sumex-aim called bitfont. (Taking foot out of mouth.) I just checked, and bitfont is not actually available on sumex-aim (although it probably should be). It is, however, available from mac.archive.umich.edu. The path is: mac/utilities/font/bitfont.sit.hqx For a description of why you'd want this little utility, see my previous post. -- Draphsor vo'drun-Aelf draphsor@leland.stanford.edu
kenh@eclectic.COM (Ken Hancock) (06/02/91)
In article <1991May29.144244.18178@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Dorner) writes: >Basically, you have to wait for Apple to recreate those fonts in TrueType >form. (Or buy ATM and the Plus Pack, and be done with it.) Except Apple isn't recreating them. They're still licensing them through type houses. The current TrueType set, I believe, is licensed through Monotype (?). Ken -- Ken Hancock | INTERNET: kenh@eclectic.com Isle Systems | Compuserve: >INTERNET: kenh@eclectic.com Macintosh Consulting | AOL: KHancock | Disclaimer: My opinions are mine, | your opinions are yours. Simple, isn't it?
espen@math.uio.no (Espen J. Vestre) (06/03/91)
References:<1991May29.100330.3042@ulrik.uio.no> <draphsor.675749830@elaine39.Stanford.EDU> In article <draphsor.675749830@elaine39.Stanford.EDU> draphsor@elaine39.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) writes: > Well, not precisely. It means that to get good-looking screen fonts, you > have to download a neat little program from sumex-aim called bitfont. > You can then use this program to create italicized bitmaps in your > favorite sizes from the TrueType fonts themselves. However, make sure > you remove the bitmaps from your system before doing this, or bitfont > also will find the bitmaps first. After you've created your italicized > bitfonts, you can replace both bitmap fonts. > > Thanks go to Chang.P.Woo@mac.dartmouth.edu for pointing out that you > have to remove the bitmapped 'straight' version before making the italic > version using bitfont. Thanks alot! But, I decided to save disk space and rather live with somewhat ugly fonts, so I removed all the bitmapped versions of the TrueType fonts... But then - Helvetica Narrow (which I thought was acting ok again after being unusable in systems 6.0.4-6.0.7) strikes again!!! When I select a size of Helvetica which I also have a Helvetica Narrow bitmap font for, Helvetica Narrow shows up on the screen! Could someone please finally explain me what's wrong with Helvetica Narrow??? ----------------------------------------- Espen J. Vestre Department of Mathematics University of Oslo P.o. Box 1053 Blindern N-0316 OSLO 3 NORWAY espen@math.uio.no -----------------------------------------