xpress@jessica.Stanford.EDU (Brad Hochberg) (11/30/89)
I've been trying to get a hold of a copy of Capps Editor Toolkit. Symantec stopped selling it a while ago and I was hoping I could find someplace with a leftover copy laying around. No such luck. I called Symantec and asked them if they had any remaining copies and they didn't. However, they told me that I could copy it from someone and it wouldn't violate the copyright because Symantec no longer makes a profit by selling it. Does anyone have a copy? If so, could you mail me a copy of it? I would be forever greatful. Thanks. --Brad Hochberg (xpress@jessica.Stanford.EDU)
xpress@jessica.Stanford.EDU (Brad Hochberg) (11/30/89)
I've been trying ot obtain a copy of Symantec's Capps Editor Toolkit. This has been difficult because Symantec no longer sells it. I have been unable to locate a place with any leftover copies. I called Symantec and they didn't have any remaining copies either. However, they said that I could legally copy it because they no longer make a profit by selling it. So, does any one have a copy? (I need the Pascal version). If so, could you email me a copy of it? I would be forever grateful. Thanks. --Brad Hochberg (xpress@jessica.Stanford.EDU)
siegel@endor.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) (12/01/89)
In article <7110@portia.Stanford.EDU> xpress@jessica.Stanford.EDU (Brad Hochberg) writes: > >I've been trying to get a hold of a copy of Capps Editor Toolkit. Symantec >stopped selling it a while ago and I was hoping I could find someplace with a >leftover copy laying around. No such luck. I called Symantec and asked them >if they had any remaining copies and they didn't. However, they told me that I >could copy it from someone and it wouldn't violate the copyright because >Symantec no longer makes a profit by selling it. Does anyone have a copy? If >so, could you mail me a copy of it? I would be forever greatful. I can't believe that anyone in a position of responsibility would tell you such a thing. Capps is discontinued, but it is still covered by copyright and license agreement, so it is illegal to get a copy from a licensed owner. You may find a dealer with old stock who is willing to sell you a copy; that is your best bet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rich Siegel Staff Software Developer Symantec Corporation, Language Products Group Internet: siegel@endor.harvard.edu UUCP: ..harvard!endor!siegel "There is no personal problem which cannot be solved by sufficient application of high explosives." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) (12/01/89)
In article <3301@husc6.harvard.edu>, siegel@endor.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) writes: > Capps is discontinued, but it is still covered > by copyright and license agreement, so it is illegal to get a copy from > a licensed owner. So, Rich, any idea why Capps' was discontinued? The "how can I get a copy" question seems to be perennial, and the package does work... Symantec advertised it hard enough for a while there that I'm surprised they aren't interested in recouping at least some of that investment, even if all they do is sell copies when people call asking for them... As for me, I'm glad I bought a copy a couple of years ago; it was one of the most cost effective software purchases I've ever made. -- Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation amanda@intercon.com
earleh@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Earle R. Horton) (12/01/89)
In article <3301@husc6.harvard.edu> siegel@endor.UUCP (Rich Siegel) writes: >In article <7110@portia.Stanford.EDU> xpress@jessica.Stanford.EDU (Brad Hochberg) writes: >> >>I've been trying to get a hold of a copy of Capps Editor Toolkit. ... > You may find a dealer with old stock who is willing to sell you a >copy; that is your best bet. The terminal driver for the Macintosh version of MicroEmacs 3.10 now supports arbitrary text fonts and sizes. It provides a single window in which a host program can manage text buffers of any size. The terminal module is structured so that it would not be too difficult to support multiple windows, merely by changing global variable definitions into a structure definition. Mouse control of the text in the window is supported by two mechanisms, either by sending application defined mouse events to the emacs kernel or by a more conventional direct manipulation of window contents from the mouse tracking routines. When combined with MicroEmacs, it implements nearly everything that standard TextEdit does with the (current) exception of hilighted selection ranges. The terminal driver can be programmed using escape codes, and it would be possible to write a termcap entry for it, if you want to port UNIX code or whatever. I plan to post an alpha version of the editor to sumex soon, and I will be sending Dan Lawrence the source code as soon as I am done with some more testing. Inquiries concerning the source code should be sent to the address contained in the "About..." box. I believe there will be some (nominal) fee. It is useless to send Dan Lawrence inquiries before the binary appears on sumex, as I haven't sent him the code yet. It is useless to send me inquiries for anything, as I am gearing up for The Big Move, and will be busy. An older version of the MicroEmacs source is now on sumex, but the terminal driver is harder to use, and doesn't support proportional fonts. Besides, it doesn't work with 64k ROMs, as the new driver does. Writing a text management package which is based on QuickDraw is not difficult, it just takes a fair amount of time. It is the Apple-recommended way to implement a high performance word processor or text editor. Get the MicroEmacs source code, or start from scratch, brew up a pot of double-strength coffee, and start coding it now. Earle R. Horton
siegel@endor.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) (12/01/89)
In article <1584@intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: >In article <3301@husc6.harvard.edu>, siegel@endor.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) >writes: >So, Rich, any idea why Capps' was discontinued? The "how can I get a copy" >question seems to be perennial, and the package does work... I'm not really sure myself; I think that the product wasn't selling enough copies to justify the expense of producing and marketing it. The sources to the package are available for licensing; the price is negotiable, but it's fairly expensive. R. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rich Siegel Staff Software Developer Symantec Corporation, Language Products Group Internet: siegel@endor.harvard.edu UUCP: ..harvard!endor!siegel "There is no personal problem which cannot be solved by sufficient application of high explosives." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
minow@mountn.dec.com (Martin Minow) (12/02/89)
In article <17498@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> earleh@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Earle R. Horton) writes: > Writing a text management package which is based on QuickDraw is >not difficult, it just takes a fair amount of time. ... >Get the MicroEmacs source code, or start from scratch, brew up a pot >of double-strength coffee, and start coding it now. Or, you can wait until the spring, when my TextEdit clone is published in MacTutor. It's a two-part article: the first part describes how mouse-tracking works, while the second part has the sources for about 90% of TextEdit. (I didn't implement ScriptManager or Styles.) By rewriting the data storage module, you could build your own editor kernel without too much difficulty. (He says, not having done so.) Ps: it takes a large amount of time. Martin Minow minow@thundr.enet.dec.com
amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) (12/02/89)
In article <3309@husc6.harvard.edu>, siegel@endor.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) writes: > I'm not really sure myself; I think that the product wasn't selling > enough copies to justify the expense of producing and marketing it. That sounds reasonable, but I still wonder why it isn't for sale at all anymore. It's not as though it was expensively packaged :-). There seems to be a low but constant demand for the package. Very few people ask for source, since it is useful enough for most people just as it is in binary form. Is there some marketeer at Symantec that people could lobby for alternatives to multi-thousand dollar source license? Maybe somebody like BMUG or MacTutor could handle making disks & photocopying the docs, and then pay a royalty to Symantec for each copy sold... It's a shame that such a well-done and useful product is unobtainable because someone decided it wasn't worth selling. -- Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation amanda@intercon.com
pete@cavevax.ucsb.edu (GurgleKat) (12/04/89)
In article <7111@portia.Stanford.EDU>, xpress@jessica.Stanford.EDU (Brad Hochberg) writes: > [Symantec's Capps Editor Toolkit] > Symantec... said that I could legally copy it because they no longer make > a profit by selling it. Nope. At the very least, you will have to double-check the information they gave you. I asked the very same question of Symantec's customer support people on CompuServe and the answer was a resounding NO. Be careful. -- Pete Gontier : pete@cavevax.ucsb.edu; outgoing .UUCP cause me grief Editor, Macker : Online Macintosh Programming Journal; mail for subscription Hire this kid : Mac, DOS, C, Pascal, asm, excellent communication skills "This was it. This was what he was, who he was, his being. He forgot to eat. Sometimes he'd resent having to leave the deck to use the toilet..." -- William Gibson, _Neuromancer_
CXT105@PSUVM.BITNET (Christopher Tate) (12/05/89)
In article <1593@intercon.com>, amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) says: >It's a shame that such a well-done and useful product is unobtainable >because someone decided it wasn't worth selling. [ re: Capps ] I should think that once Symantec (or whoever) decides that it's no longer worth selling, then there'd be no objection to releasing it to the public domain. If need be, they could retain the copyrights to try to keep it as a purely "instructional" product. As Amanda said, it's a shame that Capps' is no longer available. Several people responded to my question on editor/word-processor data structures with the statement that I should try to get hold of a copy of Capps', since it is apparently "done right:" clean and tight and elegant. ------- Christopher Tate | "Hear perfect strangers call you by name, cxt105@psuvm.psu.edu | Pay good money to hear "Fire and Rain" ..!psuvax1!psuvm.bitnet!cxt105 | Again and again and again.... cxt105@psuvm.bitnet | That's why I'm here!" -- James Taylor
mullerd@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (06/15/91)
Can anyone give me information on this product? I would greatly appreciate any information on competing products as well. Thank You
bradk@wimsey.bc.ca (Brad Kollmyer) (06/15/91)
In article <1991Jun14.204137.27178@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> mullerd@prism.CS.ORST.EDU writes: > >Can anyone give me information on this product? >I would greatly appreciate any information on competing >products as well. > Capps Editor toolkit was sold a few years ago, and I don't think it is available any more. You might try Word Solution engine available from Datapack. Their phone number is (800)327-6703. They offer a more complete word processor toolkit. Brad Kollmyer.