tim@sol0.cs.monash.edu.au (NAME) (06/14/91)
Is Smalltalk/V the same language used in Smalltalk-80? What is Smalltalk/V like for programming? I read an old article in Byte which said Apple's version of Smalltalk was abandoned as it was too slow. Does DigiTalk's SmallTalk/V suffer from slowness or any other inefficiences? Can Smalltalk/V create standalones or is it just in an interpreting environment? I have read there is a version of Smalltalk-80 for the Mac which costs around $900 (Australian Dollars). Is it that much better than Smalltalk/V? Thanks.
Michael_I_Summers@cup.portal.com (06/14/91)
To answer some of your questions: 1. Smalltalk/V is pretty much Smalltalk-80 from a syntax point of view. There is a large difference in the classes implemented, and the window models are not the same. 2. Smalltalk/V is going to have a new version this summer that will support standalone app's (no royalties, etc...). The language is interpreted, and slower than tightly coded assembler, but I've no complaints. 3. Smalltalk-80 from ParcPlace for the Mac is now $3,500 (US) with the advent of release 4 (a major blunder IMHO). Once Digitalk unifies V Mac, V WIndows, and V PM to use the same window model and classes it will be an excellent, portable, development system. I love PP Smalltalk-80, but ouch that price! :( Mike
dmac@athena.mit.edu (David S. McCormick) (06/18/91)
In article <43302@cup.portal.com>, Michael_I_Summers@cup.portal.com writes: > > To answer some of your questions: > > 1. Smalltalk/V is pretty much Smalltalk-80 from a syntax point of view. There > is a large difference in the classes implemented, and the window models are > not the same. > > 2. Smalltalk/V is going to have a new version this summer that will support > standalone app's (no royalties, etc...). The language is interpreted, and > slower than tightly coded assembler, but I've no complaints. > > 3. Smalltalk-80 from ParcPlace for the Mac is now $3,500 (US) with the advent > of release 4 (a major blunder IMHO). > > Once Digitalk unifies V Mac, V WIndows, and V PM to use the same window model > and classes it will be an excellent, portable, development system. I love PP > Smalltalk-80, but ouch that price! :( > > Mike > > The reason for the high price of Smalltalk-80 in which the source code that have a platform-independent Smalltalk for Mac, Openlook, Windows 3.0, and Motif. The exact same source code will supposedly compile without modification on the system-specific implementation of Smalltalk; all the GUI stuff will look correct for each machine. Obviously they are looking for the really big corporate developers who want a program to run on lots of OS's and generate lots-o-profit from the same kernal of source code. They have done a similar thing with their Objectworks\C++ development environment, but this has only been released for Sun-3 and SPARCstations, not for the Mac. In summary, Smalltalk from ParkPlace is a corporate product. Too bad. Cheers, David S. McCormick MIT-EAPS Geology Cambridge, MA 02139 dmac@athena.mit.edu 617-253-9852