[comp.music] A hypothetical experiment on "NO SEMANTIC"

gaia@portia.Stanford.EDU (fai to leung) (05/25/90)

Let's device a hypothetical experiment to prove the "NO SEMANTIC" 
nature of music.

We will use some pop symphonic music for the listening.

First we want to find subjects that have not been "influenced" by the dry
academic studies, and furthermore, it will be best to find subjects with no
knowledge and experience about western music -- the kind that we've decided
for listening.  So we go around the world and find some people.  But that
doesn't seem adequate, western music is a cultural activity and very much
associated with other aspects of western culture, we want "clean" results!
Somehow we find a better batch of subjects.  Wait, don't sound events 
sometimes associated with human emotions, e.g. you hit a table when you're
angry and you hear a big "bang".  Let's device a laboratory so that we
can isolate these two.  Since there cannot be found persons with no such
correlations, we bring up a bunch for the experiment.  (Let's assume we
don't make them "learn" a different sets of associations.  It's quite
impossible but say we manage to do so.)   After much sweat, we finally 
achieve the state (let call this the differentiation state).  This group
of subjects with "purity" of experience start to listen to, say Mozart's
39th Symphony or Tchai's #6.  We record all the physiological and psychological
differences of each individual during their listening.  (Oh, we should have
them undergo a diet plan to make sure the uniform state of their physique.)
When we compare the results, if the record correlates, we may say there
is indeed some common grounds, or if not, we somehow prove the "NO SEMANTIC"
nature of music.  Right now we can start finding sponsors to finance this
experiment.   But let's backtrack, ...away from the differentiation state.

Along the way, we observe assignment of emotions (well let's say 
physiolgical and psychological states) to some sound events...further we
backtrack, no more simple assignments, now we have function calls,
recursive calls, procedure passing, walawala... further we backtrack...
macros, multiprocessing, paradox, contradictions, walawala... further we
backtrack...

(
When I first travelled to the States, there's a lot of anxieties.  The
emotion might be primitive, but the trigger was highly complex.  Leaving
one's country, a lot of unknown ahead, obligations, duties,... Not at
all primitive.  Yet the emotional state is quite similar when I broke
my father's antique once...

Is it possible to study intelligence without the ability to produce and
control a physiological-psychological equivalence?

The first time I heard a Bach piece, it's impressive.  What do "concerto"
means?   What are the numbers at the bottom of the score?
)

walawala...further we backtrack...  We're back to now (despite the time
to bring up the bunch....)  Now there's hierachy after hierachy of 
associations.  Can't be translated to english, darn.

We are going to decode and recreate Tchai's #6.  Not only the notational
details, also tempo rubato, minute timing, dynamic changes, balancing voices,
use all "learned" idea, methods procedures to approximate what he would 
have done.

And there is meaning, seemingly, even more correlations, assignments,
syntax and grammar creating and varying on-the-fly.  Interesting thirds,
decending scales, what jokes...

Classes I took seems to make more sense as the approximation goes further...

Has music all along been as a syntatic-grammatical-semantic-walawala
entity?  Or the notion of "NO SEMANTIC" a true revelation?  Or is it a
failure to capture the language?  Yes, "LANGUAGE".  Rosetta stone.