[net.micro] Apple Mac

ditzel@ssc-vax.UUCP (Charles L Ditzel) (02/01/84)

After having seen the Mac being used by someone who had no familiarity
with the machine (and was doing quite well at demoing its simplicity and
capabilities). After reading the InfoWorld article...which among other
things stated that:
    *Microsoft's Multiplan (available next month) runs twice as
     fast on the Mac as it does on the IBM PC,
    *MacIntosh Basic runs ten times faster than Microsoft Basic on
     the IBM PC and is incrementally compiled,
     (additionally Basic users will be able to run subroutines
      concurrently),
    *Mac's speed is so fast that it can generate graphics on the 
     screen at an incredible rate, painting the entire screen in less
     than a second.
I can't really believe that anyone can still believe that Mac is aimed
at the PCjr.  I also can't believe that anyone looking for a computer
would choose an IBM PC which looks downright primitive in comparison.

It still early...but my impression is that Apple and Microsoft have
created magic.
  

preece@uicsl.UUCP (02/10/84)

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uicsl!preece    Feb  9 10:04:00 1984

	I can't really believe that anyone can still believe that Mac is aimed
	at the PCjr.  I also can't believe that anyone looking for a computer
	would choose an IBM PC which looks downright primitive in comparison.

	It still early...but my impression is that Apple and Microsoft have
	created magic.
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Well, the IBM may look primitive, but it is still closer to compatibility
with the rest of the world than the ever idiosyncratic Apple. I object
on principle to buying a machine that is all of a piece and supplied
from a single source.  I hope it develops the kind of aftermarket the
Apple II has, but it doesn't seem as likely.  Those neatly integrated
features make it much harder to bring in outside packages and one really
has the feeling that the top people at Apple, if you could get real
candor, would say "But why would anyone want something other than the
stuff we're putting together?"

On the other hand, if I could get one at the discount the University
Consortium is getting, they could have my check right now...

scott preece
ihnp4!uiucdcs!uicsl!preece

guy@rlgvax.UUCP (Guy Harris) (02/10/84)

> Those neatly integrated features make it much harder to bring in
> outside packages and one really has the feeling that the top people
> at Apple, if you could get real candor, would say "But why would anyone
> want something other than the stuff we're putting together?"

Well, with the Mac Apple is making more of an effort to enlist outside
software companies than they did with the Lisa.  Obviously, they want
the outside companies to give their products a Mac/Lisa-style user
interface (for instance, a WordStar for the Mac/Lisa which showed
boldfaced text as ^Bfoobar^B and which made no use of the mouse or the
pull-down menus would be too silly for words).  Frankly, given a choice
between a well-integrated package and one that had more "features" but
had a user interface designed for the lowest-common-denominator system,
I'd be sorely tempted to choose the former.  The integrated user interface
is not a low-value frill; it has considerable worth which may outweigh
the costs of making it harder to bring in outside packages.

	Guy Harris
	{seismo,ihnp4,allegra}!rlgvax!guy