[news.software.nntp] NNTP/News propagation question

rgreene@bgrgs1.bnr.ca (Bob Greene) (04/26/91)

Excuse the redundancy if this has been asked before. We
have a curious situation in BNR, in that news starts here
in Texas (Dallas [US]), is passed internally up to Ottawa
(Canada) and then comes back down to the rest of the news
sites everywhere.

Now, if I'm sitting at my terminal in Dallas, and I post
something setting distribution to "dfw", what happens? 
All of our local Dallas, TX machines see it, then we
pass the article on up to our Ottawa machine, now it's 
not in dfw, so does it dump it on the floor even 
though all the rest of dfw is only accessible through
it?

In more generic terms, since no news machine knows the
geographical locations of it's neighbors, doesn't that mean
to guarantee correct distribution, each news machine 
must propagate each news article to all it's neighbors
even though that article may not be in it's own 
distribution? And if that's the case, then the whole
point of having a distribution is void.

I have a feeling that the articles just get dumped on the
floor, since the whole Usenet news system was really 
intended to be run with your neighbors being geographically
proximate. *Sigh* That'd be unfortunate, as it would
mean posting to a 'dfw' distribution for me would require
posting with a 'na' distribution to get out. :( :(

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henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) (04/26/91)

(This really has nothing to do with NNTP; I've pointed followups at
news.software.b)

In article <2657@brchh104.bnr.ca> rgreene@bgrgs1.bnr.ca (Bob Greene) writes:
>Now, if I'm sitting at my terminal in Dallas, and I post
>something setting distribution to "dfw", what happens? 
>All of our local Dallas, TX machines see it, then we
>pass the article on up to our Ottawa machine, now it's 
>not in dfw, so does it dump it on the floor even 
>though all the rest of dfw is only accessible through
>it?

Much depends on what news system your Ottawa machine is running and how it
is configured.  The general answer is that it doesn't dump it on the floor,
but it may or may not pass it onward.

>In more generic terms, since no news machine knows the
>geographical locations of it's neighbors, doesn't that mean
>to guarantee correct distribution, each news machine 
>must propagate each news article to all it's neighbors...

No, it means that each news machine must be **configured** to know which
sites to pass which articles to.  It doesn't have to know who's where,
but it does have to know who gets what traffic.

>even though that article may not be in it's own 
>distribution? ...

There is no notion of a machine having "its own distribution".

>I have a feeling that the articles just get dumped on the
>floor, since the whole Usenet news system was really 
>intended to be run with your neighbors being geographically
>proximate...

Whatever gives you that idea?  It's never been true.
-- 
And the bean-counter replied,           | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
"beans are more important".             |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry