vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) (08/16/88)
In article <101@jetson.UPMA.MD.US> john@jetson.UPMA.MD.US (John Owens) writes:
# comp.unix.i286
# comp.unix.i386
This is what I proposed some months back; noone was quite happy with it. I
want to see some discussions in news.groups about this -- everybody was more
than happy to toast me for suggesting this last time; I want those flames
to reappear and devour eachother.
To wit:
comp.unix.microport destroy
comp.unix.xenix destroy
comp.unix.sysv.i286 new group, moderated if some silly person
volunteers; for discussion of all 286 UNIX
System V software. (286 UNIX variants are
more like eachother than they are like any-
thing else.)
comp.unix.sysv.i386 new group, moderated if some idiot wants the
job. rationale similar to .i286 above. I
will dissolve (mostly) my info-386ix@vixie
mailing list if this is created; I withdraw
my previous offer to moderate the group, tho.
For those of you who dislike four-component names -- I am still hoping for a
native 386/AT port of BSD to come into existence, and I want to leave room
in the name space early on.
For those of you who want groups named after products or companies -- go play
in the biz.all hierarchy; this is Usenet.
For those of you who have well-considered alternatives to what I propose --
speak up! I especially want to hear from Bill Davidsen (sp), in case he has
an idea for where 386users can fit into all this.
Don't send me mail, I won't summarize, please have a public flame fest.
(Speaking as an individual, not an employee or spokesman of DEC.)
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Paul Vixie
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Palo Alto, California, USA +1 415 853 6600 +1 415 864 7013vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) (08/19/88)
In article <182@visenix.UUCP> beattie@visenix.UUCP (Brian Beattie) writes:
# > comp.unix.microport destroy
# > comp.unix.xenix destroy
# This proposal assumes that Xenix will become so much like
# Intel/Microport/ATT/ISC that the groups will completely overlap
# I find this doubtfull. I believe that Microsoft will continue
# to have significant differences from the V/AT and V/386 products.
I am convinced by this argument of the need for
comp.unix.sysv.i286
comp.unix.sysv.i386
comp.unix.sysv.xenix
That is: okay, I'll take your word for the fact that Xenix will always be
bizarre. Let's give it its own group. All other 286 ports are basically
alike, as are all other 386 ports.
With trivial effort, I can be convinced that xenix does not belong in .sysv.
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Paul Vixie
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Western Research Laboratory uunet!decwrl!vixie uunet!vixie!paul
Palo Alto, California, USA +1 415 853 6600 +1 415 864 7013fr@icdi10.uucp (W. Fred Rump) (08/19/88)
In article <51@volition.dec.com>, vixie@decwrl.dec.com (Paul Vixie) writes: [ In article <101@jetson.UPMA.MD.US[ john@jetson.UPMA.MD.US (John Owens) writes: [ # comp.unix.i286 [ # comp.unix.i386 [ [ comp.unix.microport destroy [ comp.unix.xenix destroy [ [ comp.unix.sysv.i286 new group, moderated if some silly person [ volunteers; for discussion of all 286 UNIX [ System V software. (286 UNIX variants are [ more like eachother than they are like any- [ thing else.) [ [ comp.unix.sysv.i386 new group, moderated if some idiot wants the [ job. rationale similar to .i286 above. I [ will dissolve (mostly) my info-386ix@vixie [ mailing list if this is created; I withdraw [ my previous offer to moderate the group, tho. [ [ Paul Vixie [ Digital Equipment Corporation Work: vixie@dec.com Play: paul@vixie.UUCP [ Western Research Laboratory uunet!decwrl!vixie uunet!vixie!paul [ Palo Alto, California, USA +1 415 853 6600 +1 415 864 7013 On an evening when Mr Bush tells us of his plans to save humanity it seems a weighty matter to discuss whether to Xenix or Microport. Take our case, we develop and market Xenix code on and for Intel CPUs. Now, while it cockles the heart to hear (imaginatively) the screams of anguish from the many lovers of the tiny port on this net, what would they say in front of the world? While Mr Woods from Canada would be flaming fractious frenzy against Xenix (because nothing works for him), he would be joined by all those little porters to cheer him on for the cause of righteousness. Equal bugs for all and all that. No really, while it's somewhat amusing to peak in on the Microport flames, a daily diet of it would be unpalatable. Maybe later guys. When all is well with compatibility and 3.2, when the world has come to terms with Unix, maybe then we can have a generic CPU group. Of course, by then I expect the 286's of the world to be as obsolete as the 8088. It'll run. Even OS/2. But who'll want to use it except to play with? I don't know how or by whom these things get decided, but my vote would be to leave a bad situation alone for the time being. Next Spring let's talk again. -- {allegra killer gatech!uflorida decvax!ucf-cs}!ki4pv!cdis-1!cdin-1!icdi10!fr or ...{bellcore!bpa rutgers!bpa}!cdin-1!icdi10!fr or...!bikini.cis.ufl.edu!ki4pv!cdis-1!cdin-1!icdi10!fr