evan@telly.UUCP (Evan Leibovitch) (11/26/88)
I was rather impressed with the Everex booth at UnixExpo in New York earlier this month. They are the latest company to be publishing the standard AT&T/Intel SysVr3.2, and appear to offer not only a good price, but what look to be a number of Nifty Features: - X11 console support (Open Look and NeWS support is promised) - some 4.3 stuff (bsdlib, evmnt, setkey, w, script) - Bourne, C, and Korn - It 'appears' to have the old DWB bundled in - Already kernel-resident TCP/IP (RFS is included) - "Lots of drivers" including ESDI (SCSI optional) Though Everex is indeed a maker of computers and plug-in accessories, the people at the booth took great pains to list many other manufacturers' products that were supported. (One of them was aware of the bad rep BellTech was getting for selling a Unix which only supported its own hardware.) Both the standard AT bus and MicroChannel are supported. Does anyone out there have any experience with Enix? I am interested in hearing about the good, bad and the ugly of this package. Is Everex on the net? -- Evan Leibovitch, SA of System Telly "I am most concerned that Located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario, Canada nobody will remember me evan@telly.on.ca -or- uunet!attcan!telly!evan when I am dead" - Anon.
keithb@reed.UUCP (Keith Brown) (11/29/88)
The most note-worthy part of Everex' announcement was the suggested LIST price
for the complete unlimited license to their SVR3.2 --- $499.00 complete. All
whistles and bells: runtime, development, text prep. and all the drivers. It
also includes virtual consoles.
-Keith
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In article <11209@reed.UUCP>, keithb@reed.UUCP (Keith Brown) writes: > The most note-worthy part of Everex' announcement was the suggested LIST price > for the complete unlimited license to their SVR3.2 --- $499.00 complete. ...impossible, if other 386/AT Unix vendors are to be believed. If not, then Everex may take the lowest-price-baton from Bell Tech (who took it from Microport) -- -- "We've been following your progress with considerable interest, not to say -- contempt." -- Zaphod Beeblebrox IV -- uunet!sugar!karl, Unix BBS (713) 438-5018
dave@micropen (David F. Carlson) (11/30/88)
In article <11209@reed.UUCP>, keithb@reed.UUCP (Keith Brown) writes: > The most note-worthy part of Everex' announcement was the suggested LIST price > for the complete unlimited license to their SVR3.2 --- $499.00 complete. All > whistles and bells: runtime, development, text prep. and all the drivers. It > also includes virtual consoles. > > Keith Brown My pricing sheets indicate list of $549 for limited and $749 unlimited with no mention of which manuals etc. are included. (This is for a standard floppy based distribution set for apples to apples comparision.) But this price also *seems* to include the TCP/IP and RFS which is extra $$$ for other 386 publishers. A good thing about buying the whole ENIX thing is that Everex has a *very* inexpensive ethernet card: 8 bit cards are under $200!!! They claim their ENIX will support these. That makes for very cheap networking: an 8 port serial card for uucp is twice that much and we know how much fun serial ports are on these boxes. For my part I think competition helps everyone. This may not be the opinion held at Microport! -- David F. Carlson, Micropen, Inc. micropen!dave@ee.rochester.edu "The faster I go, the behinder I get." --Lewis Carroll
jinkins@ut-emx.UUCP (Richard Jinkins) (11/30/88)
In article <3032@sugar.uu.net>, karl@sugar.uu.net (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: > In article <11209@reed.UUCP>, keithb@reed.UUCP (Keith Brown) writes: > > The most note-worthy part of Everex' announcement was the suggested LIST price > > for the complete unlimited license to their SVR3.2 --- $499.00 complete. > > ...impossible, if other 386/AT Unix vendors are to be believed. If not, then > Everex may take the lowest-price-baton from Bell Tech (who took it from > Microport) About four months ago I purchased a copy of ENIX V/386 (SVR3.0) for $539 through a local Everex dealer. My license was for the 2 user system and the manuals. Read the advertising flier carefully. It say that this version has X windows, Documentors workbench, etc available but the actual release does not come with these items, they are extra. I would make the following suggestion to anyone looking at buying ENIX. First, inquire as to what exactly comes with the system for the price you are paying. Second, buy the AT&T System V/386 manuals through your local bookstore, they are much cheaper than Everexs (and exactly the same).
sjb@dalek.UUCP (Seth J. Bradley) (12/01/88)
In article <3032@sugar.uu.net> karl@sugar.uu.net (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: }In article <11209@reed.UUCP>, keithb@reed.UUCP (Keith Brown) writes: }> The most note-worthy part of Everex' announcement was the suggested LIST price }> for the complete unlimited license to their SVR3.2 --- $499.00 complete. } }...impossible, if other 386/AT Unix vendors are to be believed. If not, then }Everex may take the lowest-price-baton from Bell Tech (who took it from }Microport) the price I was quoted at UNIXEXPO by the Everex salesman was $599 for a two user license. -- Seth J. Bradley UUCP: uunet!{lll-winken|ubvax}!dalek!sjb Internet: lll-winken.llnl.gov!dalek!sjb
fyl@ssc.UUCP (Phil Hughes) (12/02/88)
I have had a copy of the beta release of Enix for some time now.
We didn't run it on our 'real' system but I have used it and it seems
like real system 5. Found a couple of bugs in the beta but nothing
exciting.
My interpretation of their intent (that should get anyone who told me
things off the hook) is to make UNIX a commodity so people will buy
computers and run UNIX. They hope that some people will buy Everex
hardware but Everex doesn't sell everything (smart comm boards, for
example) so they have to support other hardware.
After I get the real release (I am expecting it within a week or so) I
will try to post a more detailed list of experiences.
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uw-beaver!tikal!ssc!fyl or uunet!pilchuck!ssc!fyl or attmail!ssc!fylfyl@ssc.UUCP (Phil Hughes) (12/02/88)
In article <3032@sugar.uu.net>, karl@sugar.uu.net (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: > In article <11209@reed.UUCP>, keithb@reed.UUCP (Keith Brown) writes: > > The most note-worthy part of Everex' announcement was the suggested LIST price > > for the complete unlimited license to their SVR3.2 --- $499.00 complete. > ...impossible, if other 386/AT Unix vendors are to be believed. If not, then > Everex may take the lowest-price-baton from Bell Tech (who took it from > Microport) This is their plan. And to explain where they got the idea, the person who is in charge of the ENIX project used to work for Bell Technologies. -- Phil Hughes, SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549, Seattle, WA 98155 (206)FOR-UNIX uw-beaver!tikal!ssc!fyl or uunet!pilchuck!ssc!fyl or attmail!ssc!fyl
keithb@reed.UUCP (Keith Brown) (12/02/88)
re: $499 price of ENIX I posted earlier
This price was from UNIXEXPO, talking to Vik Vakil, Marketing Manager of
ENIX System V (may be a subsidiary of Everex rather than an embedded Co.),
48460 Kato Road, Fremont, CA 94538. (415) 683-2564 voice, (415) 651-0728
FAX, Telex= 5101000590EVEREX
I have no relation to the above, just amused at UnixExpo, having just
purchases the complete Microport for my '386.
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CSNET: reed!keithb@Tektronix.CSNET CIS: 72615,216louis@auvax.UUCP (Louis Schmittroth) (12/03/88)
In article <8349@ut-emx.UUCP>, jinkins@ut-emx.UUCP (Richard Jinkins) writes: # In article <3032@sugar.uu.net#, karl@sugar.uu.net (Karl Lehenbauer) writes: # # In article <11209@reed.UUCP#, keithb@reed.UUCP (Keith Brown) writes: # # # The most note-worthy part of Everex' announcement was the suggested LIST price # # # for the complete unlimited license to their SVR3.2 --- $499.00 complete. # # # # ...impossible, if other 386/AT Unix vendors are to be believed. If not, then # # Everex may take the lowest-price-baton from Bell Tech (who took it from # # Microport) # # About four months ago I purchased a copy of ENIX V/386 (SVR3.0) for # $539 through a local Everex dealer. My license was for the 2 user system # and the manuals. Read the advertising flier carefully. It say that this # version has X windows, Documentors workbench, etc available but the # actual release does not come with these items, they are extra. # I would make the following suggestion to anyone looking at buying # ENIX. First, inquire as to what exactly comes with the system for the # price you are paying. Second, buy the AT&T System V/386 manuals through # your local bookstore, they are much cheaper than Everexs (and exactly the # same). I would go a step further and get AT&T 386 UNIX Rel 3.2. I bought a copy of Rel 3.1 for $700.00 but it was for unlimited users and included the Development package (but not DWB). I had trouble installing it on a Televideo 386 (almost an AT-clone), which turned out to be the keybd, or all things. When I replaced the TVI keybd with a kybd from an IBM PC/XT, it installed, and is running very well. I will be ordering the upgrade from 3.1 to 3.2 shortly. -- Louis Schmittroth My employer has no opinions. Computer Science Athabasca University ...{ubc-vision, ihnp4}!alberta!auvax!louis
evan@telly.UUCP (Evan Leibovitch) (12/05/88)
In article <786@auvax.UUCP>, louis@auvax.UUCP (Louis Schmittroth) writes: > In article <8349@ut-emx.UUCP>, jinkins@ut-emx.UUCP (Richard Jinkins) writes: > # I would make the following suggestion to anyone looking at buying > # ENIX. [...] > I would go a step further and get AT&T 386 UNIX Rel 3.2. I bought a > copy of Rel 3.1 for $700.00 but it was for unlimited users and included > the Development package (but not DWB). OK. Now tell me what AT&T Vr3.2 has that Enix Vr3.2 doesn't. Or vice vera. All I know now is that AT&T is more expensive, and doesn't work with Televideo keyboards. -- Evan Leibovitch, SA of System Telly "I am most concerned that Located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario, Canada nobody will remember me evan@telly.on.ca -or- uunet!attcan!telly!evan when I am dead" - Anon.
jlg@epsilon.UUCP (My account ) (12/05/88)
A side note to anyone purchasing UNIX/XENIX for 286 and 386. The spec
being used by NASA for the space shuttle computers is (are you ready?)
S.C.O. XENIX 386. A company I consult with has purchased both the 286 and
386 versions for my project there, and I am quite satisfied with BOTH
versions of the product. Both are at rev 2.2.3. The only complaint I have
at all is the V.P.I.X. for the 386 (It is a serious performance drain even
though it seems to do what it was advertised to do).
-- John Grzesiak --
@ Omega Dynamicsjinkins@ut-emx.UUCP (Richard Jinkins) (12/07/88)
Does anyone know what it costs to upgrade from Enix 3.0 or 3.1 to the new Enix 3.2 and is it available?
fr@icdi10.uucp (Fred Rump from home) (12/07/88)
In article <102@epsilon.UUCP>, jlg@epsilon.UUCP (My account ) writes:
<
< A side note to anyone purchasing UNIX/XENIX for 286 and 386. The spec
< being used by NASA for the space shuttle computers is (are you ready?)
< S.C.O. XENIX 386. A company I consult with has purchased both the 286 and
< 386 versions for my project there, and I am quite satisfied with BOTH
< versions of the product. Both are at rev 2.2.3. The only complaint I have
< at all is the V.P.I.X. for the 386 (It is a serious performance drain even
< though it seems to do what it was advertised to do).
<
< -- John Grzesiak --
< @ Omega Dynamics
Well, now we'll know why if another shuttle crashes, blows up or otherwise
vanishes.
Seriously, I don't know why the surprise though. The Navy has SCO on it's
ships. (We're involved in that little effort) And the Army uses Xenix all
over the place. So what else is new?
VP/ix is slow as a task. Yes. You really need a 20 or 25 Mhz box to look like
an AT. And to run a bunch of DOS jobs is not the goods. It's really meant to
be the occasional task to prevent Xenix from having to be taken down as
before. But it works: Halleluja!
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In article <436@telly.UUCP> evan@telly.UUCP (Evan Leibovitch) writes: [ deleting what I'm not following up ] >OK. Now tell me what AT&T Vr3.2 has that Enix Vr3.2 doesn't. >Or vice vera. >All I know now is that AT&T is more expensive, and doesn't work with >Televideo keyboards. >-- >Evan Leibovitch, SA of System Telly "I am most concerned that >Located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario, Canada nobody will remember me >evan@telly.on.ca -or- uunet!attcan!telly!evan when I am dead" - Anon. Evan, you're quite mistaken. As he said, he got AT&T 386 UNIX for $700, unlimited users, with development. That's right at half what the others charge for unlimited users and about the same as what they charge for development. It's not more expensive if you compare feature for feature. If it doesn't work with Televideo keyboards then I guess I shouldn't be posting this since I'm using one and AT&T 386 UNIX. If you meant it doesn't work with Televideo computers then I'll concede that it, along with several others, is known to have problems. I can assure you that it does work with Televideo keyboards, both vanilla UNIX stuff and VP/ix, I'm doing it now. I can not comment on what either has that the other doesn't, they both have their roots in the Intel/ISC port (as they all do except for SCO). Having (barely) survived Microport V/386 I can report that the facilities for building a kernel are superior to the generic 386 UNIX's and a number of nagging problems were fixed by AT&T before they released it. The AT&T documentation (except for VP/ix, SCO wins that one) is superior to the others and you don't have to pay extra for it. I'm completely ignorant of Enix, so please don't imply that I'm commenting on it, just the AT&T product. There is, in my opinion, a glaring shortcoming in AT&T 386 UNIX. Despite the slip of paper that says you get 90 days Hot Line support, that's just not the way it works. If you can not provide a registered 6386 CPU serial number then you are a leper. Fortunately I haven't had much need for any support that I could not get from comp.sys.att or by email from kind souls within AT&T (and outside of the Hot Line). When I had Microport V/386 I needed lots of support but couldn't get anything but guesses. I'm told that has improved. As I said, I don't know anything about Enix. -- Bill Kennedy usenet {killer,att,cs.utexas.edu,sun!daver}!ssbn!bill internet bill@ssbn.WLK.COM
davidsen@steinmetz.ge.com (William E. Davidsen Jr) (12/10/88)
In article <7113@icdi10.uucp> fr@icdi10.uucp (Fred Rump from home) writes: | VP/ix is slow as a task. Yes. You really need a 20 or 25 Mhz box to look like | an AT. And to run a bunch of DOS jobs is not the goods. It's really meant to | be the occasional task to prevent Xenix from having to be taken down as | before. But it works: Halleluja! I think this comment may give people the wrong impression. VP/ix pays a penalty when updating the screen, without a doubt. Programs which do a lot of writes to the screen, particularly those which bypass the BIOS, will run a lot slower under VP/ix. However, programs just uning the CPU, such as compiles, database lookup, and data analysis will run at full speed. Programs which have both screen and CPU characteristics, such as large spreadsheet recalc, will slow in proportion to the screen usage. Taking this as a premise, a few measurements of CPU performance under VP/ix and raw DOS will show (by my measurements, anyway) that this assumption is correct. Disk i/o is may be slightly slower or faster depending on the buffer sizes, etc. The reason that BIOS driven screen writes are affected less than direct writes is that (a) they are slower to start with, and (b) the VP/ix BIOS is no worse than the DOS BIOS. I ran some CPU tests, from Dhrystone to the Microway benchmark (and of course Norton SI) and they seem to reflect the same performance in DOS and VP/ix, within the limits of the measurements. I actually find that the only thing which is really obnoxious under VP/ix is games. Does anyone else like PCPOOL? -- bill davidsen (wedu@ge-crd.arpa) {uunet | philabs}!steinmetz!crdos1!davidsen "Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward" -me
hsu@santra.HUT.FI (Heikki Suonsivu) (12/16/88)
In article <12779@steinmetz.ge.com> davidsen@crdos1.UUCP (bill davidsen) writes: >will run a lot slower under VP/ix. However, programs just uning the CPU, >such as compiles, database lookup, and data analysis will run at full Unless everything is in the buffers, dos compiles and all other disk access seems to be something like 50% of speed in raw ms-dos. May be different if one is not using unix file system? Though, I'm running dosmerge 0.2 beta. Linking is even slower.