root@conexch.UUCP (Larry Dighera) (01/12/89)
In article <331@belltec.UUCP> dar@belltec.UUCP (Dimitri Rotow) writes: >In article <4837@mtgzz.att.com>, avr@mtgzz.att.com (a.v.reed) writes: >> >> I know for a fact that CBS College Publishing, and its Holt, >> Rinehart and Winston subsidiary, also publich [sic] reprints of AT&T UNIX(R) >> documentation; there may be others. > >I know that the CBS books are also out there, but they are apparently limited >to pre -Release 3.0 editions. Dimitri's comment is only partially true. The five book set of UNIX(tm) manuals, offered by CBS College Publishing, that I purchased for under $10.00 when joining Macmillan's Library of Computer and Information Sciences Book Club, indicates the following: Commands and utilities -- v.2. System calls and library routines -- v.3 This is printed on the flyleaf of the volumes (ISBN 0-03-009317-1). So, it appears that, indeed, the Commands and Utilities manuals are pre Release 3.0, but the System Call and Library Routine manuals are System V Release 3. At any rate, these manuals are quite a bargain, if purchased this way. In case anyone is interested, here is the book club's address: Macmillian Book Clubs, Inc. P. O. Box 503 Riverside, NJ 08370-0503 Larry Dighera -- USPS: The Consultants' Exchange, PO Box 12100, Santa Ana, CA 92712 TELE: (714) 842-6348: BBS (N81); (714) 842-5851: Xenix guest account (E71) UUCP: conexch Any ACU 2400 17148425851 ogin:-""-ogin:-""-ogin: nuucp UUCP: ...!uunet!turnkey!conexch!root || ...!trwrb!ucla-an!conexch!root
wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf N. Paul) (01/14/89)
In article <19002@conexch.UUCP> root@conexch.UUCP (Larry Dighera) writes: >Dimitri's comment is only partially true. The five book set of >UNIX(tm) manuals, offered by CBS College Publishing, that I >purchased for under $10.00 when joining Macmillan's Library of >Computer and Information Sciences Book Club, indicates the >following: > > Commands and utilities -- v.2. > System calls and library routines -- v.3 > >This is printed on the flyleaf of the volumes (ISBN 0-03-009317-1). > >So, it appears that, indeed, the Commands and Utilities manuals >are pre Release 3.0, but the System Call and Library Routine >manuals are System V Release 3. NOT SO! What you are referring to is in Volume 1, on the page immediately preceding page 'i'. Here it is, slightly more complete than what you included: Contents: v. 1. Commands and utilities -- v. 2. System calls and library routines -- v. 3. System administration facilities. And in Volume 5 (Languages & Support Tools) it continues: ... v. 4. Document preparation. -- v. 5. Languages and support tools. These are VOLUME references, not VERSION references. Anyway, in AT&T nomenclature, a RELEASE is not referred to as a VERSION; if you read these as "five point two" etc, then what do you make of the "five point one" that precedes the part you quoted, or the "five point five" in Volume 5? That would be quite a feat on the part of CBS/HRW to describe System V Release 5 before AT&T has even published Release 4 :-) ! -- Wolf N. Paul * 3387 Sam Rayburn Run * Carrollton TX 75007 * (214) 306-9101 UUCP: killer!dcs!wnp ESL: 62832882 DOMAIN: dcs!wnp@killer.dallas.tx.us TLX: 910-380-0585 EES PLANO UD
root@conexch.UUCP (Larry Dighera) (01/17/89)
In article <299@dcs.UUCP> wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf N. Paul) writes: > >NOT SO! What you are referring to is in Volume 1, on the page immediately >preceding page 'i'. Here it is, slightly more complete than what you included: > > Contents: v. 1. Commands and utilities -- v. 2. > System calls and library routines -- v. 3. System > administration facilities. This was the only reference to what appeared to be the System/Release that I was able to locate anywhere in the manuals. >And in Volume 5 (Languages & Support Tools) it continues: > ... v. 4. Document preparation. -- v. 5. Languages > and support tools. If I had noticed this in Volume 5, I would have realized that this notation referred to the manual volumes and not the System/Release. Sorry for the oversight. Thank you for calling this to my/our attention. So, have you found any place in the CBS manuals that states exactly which release they document? Or, are we going to just take Mr. Rotow's word for it that they are pre-Release 3? It seems to me, that CBS deliberately omitted that information in an attempt to deceive potential purchasers of their (out dated?) product. Larry Dighera -- USPS: The Consultants' Exchange, PO Box 12100, Santa Ana, CA 92712 TELE: (714) 842-6348: BBS (N81); (714) 842-5851: Xenix guest account (E71) UUCP: conexch Any ACU 2400 17148425851 ogin:-""-ogin:-""-ogin: nuucp UUCP: ...!uunet!turnkey!conexch!root || ...!trwrb!ucla-an!conexch!root
wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf N. Paul) (01/18/89)
In article <19558@conexch.UUCP> root@conexch.UUCP (Larry Dighera) writes: >So, have you found any place in the CBS manuals that states exactly which >release they document? Or, are we going to just take Mr. Rotow's word for >it that they are pre-Release 3? > >It seems to me, that CBS deliberately omitted that information in an >attempt to deceive potential purchasers of their (out dated?) product. I shouldn't think so. The Manuals were edited and produced (up to typesetting) by AT&T employees, and are copyrighted by AT&T. I have a two-volume set of AT&T in-house System V manuals which also omit any reference to a Release. I think that this dates back to a time when "System V" was considered the "version number" of an OS called "UNIX"; release-specific stuff belonged in the Release Notes, not in the main manual. Since then, AT&T has decided to make "UNIX System V" the official name, and use the "Release" number as a version number (witness the proliferation of sub-release numbers, i.e. V.3, V.3.1, V.3.2, etc. Thus the merged UNIX/XENIX product, which should really be considered a new Version, becomes Release 3.2, and the merged USG/BSD/SUNOS product will be Release 4, rather than a new version. So, I think this was just an oversight at a time when the release number was not nearly as important as it has become now. -- Wolf N. Paul * 3387 Sam Rayburn Run * Carrollton TX 75007 * (214) 306-9101 UUCP: killer!dcs!wnp ESL: 62832882 DOMAIN: dcs!wnp@killer.dallas.tx.us TLX: 910-380-0585 EES PLANO UD
gwyn@smoke.BRL.MIL (Doug Gwyn ) (01/19/89)
In article <304@dcs.UUCP> wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf N. Paul) writes: >>It seems to me, that CBS deliberately omitted that information in an >>attempt to deceive potential purchasers of their (out dated?) product. My copy of the CBS manuals is SVR2 VAX version 2 vintage, roughly. Machine-dependent stuff is omitted so it could equally be SVR2 3B2 version 4. I suspect the intention was to publish new editions as warranted. >So, I think this was just an oversight at a time when the release number was >not nearly as important as it has become now. The release is not all that important. Very little if anything in the CBS manuals is incorrect for newer releases of UNIX System V; it's merely incomplete.
wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf N. Paul) (01/20/89)
In article <9427@smoke.BRL.MIL> gwyn@brl.arpa (Doug Gwyn) writes: >>So, I think this was just an oversight at a time when the release number was >>not nearly as important as it has become now. > >The release is not all that important. Very little if anything in >the CBS manuals is incorrect for newer releases of UNIX System V; >it's merely incomplete. My point was though, if there is concern now about SysV release numbers, it is because SOME of the release numbers indicate major compatibility changes: Release 3.2 is the merged UNIX/XENIX release, and Release 4 is supposed to be the merged USG/BSD/SUN release. When the CBS manuals were produced, release numbers were even less important than they are now, which is why they are not mentioned. -- Wolf N. Paul * 3387 Sam Rayburn Run * Carrollton TX 75007 * (214) 306-9101 UUCP: killer!dcs!wnp ESL: 62832882 DOMAIN: dcs!wnp@killer.dallas.tx.us TLX: 910-380-0585 EES PLANO UD
rick@pcrat.UUCP (Rick Richardson) (01/21/89)
In article <305@dcs.UUCP> wnp@dcs.UUCP (Wolf N. Paul) writes: >In article <9427@smoke.BRL.MIL> gwyn@brl.arpa (Doug Gwyn) writes: >> >>The release is not all that important. Very little if anything in >>the CBS manuals is incorrect for newer releases of UNIX System V; >>it's merely incomplete. > >Release 3.2 is the merged UNIX/XENIX release, and Release 4 is supposed to >be the merged USG/BSD/SUN release. > >When the CBS manuals were produced, release numbers were even less important >than they are now, which is why they are not mentioned. And then there's the Prentice Hall UNIX System V/386 series. Only a couple of months ago I made my final 'payment' to own the complete set. I can remember wondering if they expected these manuals to last through all those releases. I guessed that they would come out with addenda volumes to describe the changes in 3.2 and maybe again in 4.0. Boy, was I wrong! There's a whole new set of manuals for System V/386, *release 3.2*. Same high prices, and I didn't see anything like an upgrade for the original set. I haven't even cracked open some of the manuals and they're now obsolete! Grrrr! -- Rick Richardson | JetRoff "di"-troff to LaserJet Postprocessor|uunet!pcrat!dry2 PC Research,Inc.| Mail: uunet!pcrat!jetroff; For anon uucp do:|for Dhrystone 2 uunet!pcrat!rick| uucp jetroff!~jetuucp/file_list ~nuucp/. |submission forms. jetroff Wk2200-0300,Sa,Su ACU {2400,PEP} 12013898963 "" \d\r\d ogin: jetuucp