[net.news.group] RESULTS: Isolating the StarWars Discussion

bukys (01/02/83)

With 45 users on 41 hosts responding, here are the results of the
"Isolating the Star Wars Discussion" poll:

	31	yes.
	12	no.
	 2	undecided.

Among the "yes" votes:
	15	didn't propose a name.
	10	want it to be a subgroup (most insist on it).
	 6	suggested a top-level name.

Newsgroup name breakdown (some people made multiple suggestions):
	 1	net.sf-fans
	 1	net.sf-lovers.cretin [ :-) ]
	 1	net.sf-lovers.fans
	 1	net.sf-lovers.movies
	 3	net.sf-lovers.sw
	 1	net.sf-movie
	 1	net.sf.guess
	 1	net.sf.sw
	 2	net.starwars
	 2	net.sw
	 2	net.trivia.sw
	 1	(unspecified)

Other "yes" statistics:
	 9	expressed disgust at the swamping of net.sf-lovers
		by this topic, and would probably unsubscribe any
		new group (and maybe the old one).  Many responses
		were quite vehement.
	 2	acknowledged dependence on arpa sf-lovers policy,
		but think that the arpanetters would be glad to be
		rid of the stuff.

Some "no" statistics:
	7	thought the gateways to/from the arpanet make a split
		impractical or wrong.
	4	predicted that the discussion will die down.

Some observations:

	subgroups:
		Most people don't seem to know about various
		implementation limits, such as the limit on newsgroup
		name length.  So, to everybody who suggested
		"net.sf-lovers.sw": try "net.sf.sw" on for size.

	the arpanet connection:
		Everyone seems to agree that it is nice for the arpa
		and usenet groups to share and enjoy.  This requires
		rough correspondence of subject matter.  Some suggest
		that we'd be doing a favor by getting this out of the
		arpanet moderator's hair.  Some suggest that the
		moderator could read both groups.  Some suggest that
		it's too much to ask the poor moderator to keep up with
		usenet politics.  I would like to point out that in a
		similar situation (a wave of messages on "children's
		sf"), the moderator grouped them in "special editions"
		until the discussion died down.  I haven't corresponded
		with the current moderator, so I don't know what he (or
		she?) would think of that.

	killing multiple birds with one stone:
		My polling article tried to rise above the topic of
		Star Wars and suggested finding somewhere to put other
		"fan" or "speculation" articles, which now end up in
		net.misc, net.startrek, net.wobegon, net.sctv (the
		latter two having no good reason to exist as far as I
		can tell).  Most of the responses ignored this aspect
		of the poll.  I must assume it's not a hot enough topic
		(yet?).  Well, I tried.

	best suggestion (which I am too tired to start a poll about):
		"If we invent net.books then perhaps people will start
		contributing non-sf reviews and discussions to it; I
		know I will." [sdchema!donn]

CONCLUSIONS:
	Alas, despite the ~3/1 yes/no ratio, I must conclude that the
	time is NOT ripe, for two reasons.  First, it appears that the
	discussion may be dying down.  Second, the number of votes on
	doesn't seem (to me) to be quite sufficient.

	If something similar to what I proposed does become necessary
	(say, if the release of the next movie really creates a tidal
	wave of fandom), then we should drop the (merely historical)
	net.sf-lovers name, and create net.sf, net.sf.sw, and
	net.sf.startrek (moving net.startrek there).

My thanks to all who took the time to respond.

Liudvikas Bukys		...!rochester!bukys

jmturn (01/03/83)

This problem has cropped up in the past, and can best be refered to as
the "George Lucas extra special custom deluxe 3 year itch and marching
band". I expect we'll see a dying down until just before RotJ comes out,
then a big boom, followed by the release and a bigger boom. This won't
just go away... In fact, it's going to get worse.

I'm going to talk to the current SFL moderator about putting the SW
stuff in an evening digest, as was done right around the TESB release.
This would allow the SW stuff to be redirected into net.sf.sw by virtue
of it being preprocessed by the SFL moderator.

Look on the bright side, however. Lucas claims RotJ leaves no loose
ends...

						James
Turner
						RG.JMTURN@MIT-OZ
						.../mitccc/jmturn